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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#168601: Jan 23rd 2017 at 2:59:22 PM

[up][up]Da.tongue

edited 23rd Jan '17 2:59:41 PM by kkhohoho

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#168602: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:05:38 PM

...What exactly does this entail?

Oh God! Natural light!
Proglottid Since: Mar, 2010
#168603: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:06:41 PM

Trumps forces America to remember once a year how much he likes to suck his own dick, basically

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#168604: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:07:23 PM

Maybe he'll get those tank and missile parades after all.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#168605: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:07:38 PM

[up][up][up] Inauguration day is now apparently a federally recognized holiday even on off years.

edited 23rd Jan '17 3:08:40 PM by CaptainCapsase

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#168606: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:09:35 PM

Seriously though, without hyperbole, what does this mean?

Edit: [up] Ah, okay, thank you.

Also, Committee OKs Tillerson for secretary of state.

And a 11-10 vote too.

Dammit, Rubio.

edited 23rd Jan '17 3:10:10 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#168607: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:11:27 PM

So you get a day off to celebrate inauguration but not for casting your vote?

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#168608: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:11:31 PM

[up][up] Let me remind you who the runner up to that position is. Thank God he refused to shave his moustache.

[up] 'Murica.

edited 23rd Jan '17 3:12:51 PM by CaptainCapsase

vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#168609: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:12:32 PM

I know you weren't responding to me specifically but:

In the case of people like Richard Spencer, he has argued for a violent, hateful, genocidal rhetoric of white supremacy and ethnic cleansing that, in fairly recent history, was ruthlessly executed upon mass populations of people. He is arguing for an ideology that has, in no uncertain terms, murdered people to advance the perceived supremacy of the 'white race', a dubious a term as that is.

Yes, that's right.

It is also an ideology that continues to fester if given a platform to spur its hateful bullshit. What liberals in general get wrong is this idea that democracies have some kind of right to self-destruction, that the organs of state shouldn't try to resist fascism if the people themselves voted for fascism, that the dubiously-defined will of the people (in this case, their will to inflict violence and murder on others) is worth more than democratic ideals like rule of law

This is where I begin getting lost. The US has made similar arguments of resisting X-ism to stop elected leaders from other countries to enforces their dubiously defined will of the people. Yes, the will of facists is to hurt others, but I am more than unnerved by calls to stop, through violence, the enemy's ability to speak, no matter where they come. I have seen it done to us in latinamerica, no thank you.

So in this case, believing that there's no platform for the kind of hatred Spencer farts out, and knowing the government will do nothing for fear of appearing to be pro-censorship or alienating their white supremacist voters, I have absolutely no sympathy for him when he gets fucking decked, and hope someone will do it again in the future to some of his comrades

To me it's not sympathy for his ilk, but rather a disagreement over what are valid tactics. I'd prefer conversion over violence.

Like, if Stone Cold Steve Austin appeared behind a curtain at the White House and smacked the President over the head with a steel chair, I wouldn't be losing any fuckin' sleep over it either.

It would be funny.

edited 23rd Jan '17 3:12:57 PM by vandro

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#168610: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:14:48 PM

I get the desire to avoid violence, but I doubt you'll be converting any white supremacists. Extremists are not easily swayed, and I can't imagine it will be any easier now that their preferred candidate is in power.

edited 23rd Jan '17 3:15:19 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#168611: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:16:08 PM

I'd prefer conversion over violence.

I'd prefer Spencer and his cadre of hateful trolls shut the fuck up, and having a conversation has thus far done nothing but empower them.

So if ensuring they shut the fuck up by committing civil vigilantism helps, I'm happy. Either way he shuts up.

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#168612: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:16:16 PM

[up][up] Not often, but I'd argue it's more easy to defuse people like that by offering an open hand for them to reject than to try and crush them by force*, and there's always the outside possibility they'll actually be willing to reform themselves.

* Unless you're willing to resort to downright despotic and extralegal means which aren't even possible in a functioning democracy, much less as part of an opposition party.

edited 23rd Jan '17 3:20:20 PM by CaptainCapsase

vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#168613: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:18:47 PM

He'll return to his cadre to assure himself that the others are the violent ones, that punch only fuels his victim complex.

[down]Exactly.

edited 23rd Jan '17 3:21:14 PM by vandro

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#168614: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:20:31 PM

Who cares, the man is scared to leave his home and now he has nowhere to preach but his echo chamber.

Don't let these people have an open platform.

Oh really when?
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#168615: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:21:55 PM

How on earth would you persuade him to change his stance, anyway?

edited 23rd Jan '17 3:22:08 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#168616: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:22:53 PM

Why is Jimmy Carter so unpopular? He's a really cool dude!

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#168617: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:23:25 PM

[up][up] You probably can't, but you can avoid harming your image by at least going through the effort of trying; if as is likely the case the person spits into the hand you offer them, and you react calmly and dispassionately, you come out looking far better than if you run up to him and punch him in the face. Then there's always the outside possibility someone actually does have second thoughts because of an act of kindness by people who they perceived as their hated enemies.

edited 23rd Jan '17 3:25:17 PM by CaptainCapsase

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#168618: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:24:44 PM

Christ.

The House just passed a bill that would basically prohibit any new government regulations, ever. And allow the Fuhrer to roll back any he doesn't like without having to go through the usual process.

This includes environmental protections, food safety regulations...

Day 4.

Or is it 3? Jesus.

edited 23rd Jan '17 3:24:59 PM by RBluefish

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#168619: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:24:50 PM

[up][up]My "image"? To the right, we're the Antichrist. It's hard to go much farther down from there.

edited 23rd Jan '17 3:24:59 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#168620: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:24:57 PM

I'm pretty sure there's more than one instance of a white supremacist realizing "oh fuck what have I been doing," but still not as many as we would like. But that's the kind of thing that can take years to work through.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#168621: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:25:12 PM

How on earth would you persuade him to change his stance, anyway?

There was a story posted some months ago about the son of the owner of stormfront (I believe his name is Lewis Black?) and how through contact with people of different views and experiences he gradually realized white supremacy was illegitimate and denounced it.

It's not impossible but also probably doesn't happen too often.

edited 23rd Jan '17 3:26:16 PM by Draghinazzo

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#168622: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:26:01 PM

The last time we tried to be civil to Nazis, 6 million people died.

They should be grateful that it's ONLY a sucker punch.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#168623: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:27:32 PM

With each passing day I get more astonished the US doesn't have hate speech laws.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#168624: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:28:11 PM

He got us the Canal back. YEI.

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#168625: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:28:32 PM

Well those jobs Trump promised may materialize after all. How much coal and metalwork is involved in raising monuments to Trump? And melting down Lady Liberty?

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives

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