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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#168526: Jan 23rd 2017 at 11:48:21 AM

Huh. Well, I'm hardly an expert on healthcare...

Anyway, Spicer's now claiming that he when he said that the inauguration audience was the largest audience "in person and around the globe", that he meant that it was the largest total audience, not that it was the largest in person audience.

Oh God! Natural light!
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#168527: Jan 23rd 2017 at 11:49:04 AM

On the other hand, it gives blue states more weight in the House and EC.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#168529: Jan 23rd 2017 at 11:51:11 AM

Is he talking about this crap again?

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#168530: Jan 23rd 2017 at 11:53:43 AM

He's actually answering questions this time, at least.

Mind you, he's being pretty evasive and whining about negative coverage.

But he's answering questions.

edited 23rd Jan '17 11:57:04 AM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#168531: Jan 23rd 2017 at 11:54:54 AM

"The default narrative is always negative"

There's nothing to be positive about unless you're a white supremacist.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#168532: Jan 23rd 2017 at 11:55:00 AM

At least he's backed down from "Nuh uh! This crowd was the yugest, ever! I swearsies!"

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#168533: Jan 23rd 2017 at 11:58:19 AM

... OK, I wanted to ask this the first time I read about it here, but kept getting distracted by the rest of the discussion every time. What is this "ACA was originally a Mitt Romney idea during that Obama co-opted when he became POTUS"? What exactly is the history behind the ACA? And why the hell would the GOP want to tear it down instead of exploiting the fact that it was originally concocted by a staunch GOP politician to discredit Obama?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#168534: Jan 23rd 2017 at 12:09:02 PM

They want to tear it down because the billionaires who bankrolls them are the ones who have to pay for it. Which is why they so throughly linked it to Obama, and demonized 'Obamacare' so much that their voters don't even realize that it's the same thing as ACA- which they like, because a lot of them have friends or family who's lives were saved by it.

rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#168535: Jan 23rd 2017 at 12:10:35 PM

1) The ACA was based on a health care plan originally created by Mitt Romney back when he was governor of Massachusetts.

2) The Republicans on the national level are a) greedy, b) practically a death cult, and c) defined by their opposition to anything a Democrat does.

EDIT: [nja]'d

edited 23rd Jan '17 12:10:58 PM by rmctagg09

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#168536: Jan 23rd 2017 at 12:10:48 PM

The original idea behind PPACA was implemented in Massachusetts under governor Mitt Romney. It predated President Obama's term in office; "Romneycare" was originally implemented in 2006. The idea for it, as I recall, came from the Heritage Foundation think tank, as conservative an institution as exists in that world.

It had the same basic template that Obama adopted for PPACA, under the idea that Republicans would eagerly vote for a program created by one of their own and one that heavily involved the free market pricing system, as opposed to a single-payer system that would essentially dismantle private insurers.

Obama was surprised when it turned out that Republicans were not, in fact, fiscal conservatives, but rather violent reactionaries opposed to any legislative success for a Democratic President.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#168537: Jan 23rd 2017 at 12:11:24 PM

When Romney was a governor, he helped develop a way of expanding access to health insurance that bears a strong resemblance to the ACA. The reps want to gut this because a) It gives the Dems too much political credit and b) Its funded with tax dollars to help poor people afford it, which means its the kind of wealth redistribution they oppose in principle.

[nja]!

edited 23rd Jan '17 12:13:12 PM by DeMarquis

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#168538: Jan 23rd 2017 at 12:12:26 PM

{Mother Jones} I asked my student why he voted for Trump. The answer was thoughtful, smart, and terrifying, an insight into the mind of a Trump voter in Oklahoma.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#168539: Jan 23rd 2017 at 12:12:49 PM

My limited understanding on ACA is that the ideas were first proposed by Republicans in the '90's as an Alternative to Public Healthcare that Hillary Clinton tried to implement but failed. It never took off, except in 2006 when then-Governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney, passed an ACA bill passed in that state.

Fighteer answered the question better then me.tongue

edited 23rd Jan '17 12:13:50 PM by DingoWalley1

Matues Since: Sep, 2011
#168540: Jan 23rd 2017 at 12:27:33 PM

[up][up]

Concerning race, Peter wrote, "In Oklahoma, besides Native Americans, there have traditionally been very few minorities. Few blacks have ever lived near the town that I am from...Even in my generation, despite there being a little more diversity, there was no racism, nor was there a reason for racism to exist."

Yeah, I think I'll pass.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#168541: Jan 23rd 2017 at 12:30:52 PM

I'd like to thank whoever posted that Tom Lehrer song because I was browsing through his playlist and I am finding some Harsher in Hindsight songs.

If Trump and Co. keep their promises to get rid of the environmental protection policies and keep denying Climate Change, we can all plays this for the next years:

Inter arma enim silent leges
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#168542: Jan 23rd 2017 at 12:33:09 PM

Romney deserves way less credit than Massachusetts state senators and congressmen and women who kept overriding his vetoes.

Also, the Heritage Foundation plan is markedly different from Obamacare in a lot of ways. The only thing they have in common is a mandate

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#168543: Jan 23rd 2017 at 12:41:55 PM

Oooooh boy. Lots to get off my chest.

Give me some minutes to gather my thoughts.

We made some progress but it's clear we're going to have to drag them kicking and screaming.

New Survey coming this weekend!
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#168544: Jan 23rd 2017 at 12:43:23 PM

[up][up][up]That would be me. Glad to have another convert.smile

"Pollution, pollution, wear a gas mask and a vale! Then you can breath, long as you don't inhale!"

edited 23rd Jan '17 12:43:36 PM by kkhohoho

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#168545: Jan 23rd 2017 at 12:43:44 PM

That look through the eyes of a Trump Supporter is indeed frightening, for different reasons than she states. "I don't see racism, therefore it must not exist or be something to worry about." Things are bad for me and people I know, so there must be no harm in trashing a system that does not benefit me, personally."

SMDH.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#168546: Jan 23rd 2017 at 12:46:17 PM

Reading that article in its entirety made me realize one possible flaw in the Democrats' strategy to solving all those social issues (racism, gay marriage, etc.): Their entire approach seems mainly based on a top-down model (i.e. pass federal/state laws and expect people to obey them, happily or grudgingly), while marginalizing the aspect of working on spreading the culture on a grassroots level.

Seriously, how could they not expect such a huge backlash to eventually erupt? Imposing laws on people who reject them on principle isn't going to make the problem magically disappear. So long as those people have a chance to keep "educating" their part of the next generation(s) with their beliefs, the problem will never go away and in fact will keep simmering under the surface, until the appropiate spark ignites the entire underbrush into a massive wildfire.

@Matues: As repulsive as that part sounds, I strongly advise you to keep reading the article. The guy comes across as rather pitiable in how out of touch he is with reality on some things, because it's largely out of his control. Like the writer says, it's hard to blame him for being factually wrong when the only "facts" he has actual access to are the totally wrong/twisted ones.

edited 23rd Jan '17 12:51:28 PM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Matues Since: Sep, 2011
#168547: Jan 23rd 2017 at 12:50:41 PM

Respectfully speaking,

I live in the steaming depths of the south. I understand how Trump supporters tick already; don't need any further enlightenment.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#168548: Jan 23rd 2017 at 12:51:51 PM

Same here. My sympathies for them are non existent.

Oh really when?
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#168549: Jan 23rd 2017 at 12:52:02 PM

So you're saying that the article is not saying anything new to you?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#168550: Jan 23rd 2017 at 12:57:26 PM

Not to me personally. I'm surrounded by towns he described more or less.

Oh really when?

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