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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#168426: Jan 22nd 2017 at 11:53:55 PM

Fox News' Chris Wallace, aka the debate moderator everyone actually liked, smacks down Trump's chief of staff over their lies about inaugeration numbers.

During an interview on "Fox News Sunday," Wallace called White House press secretary Sean Spicer's Saturday briefing "extraordinary," noting that Spicer insisted despite all available evidence that Trump garnered the "largest audience to ever witness an inauguration" and did not take any questions.

"President Trump said in his inaugural address that every decision he makes will be to benefit American families. How does arguing about crowd size do that?" Wallace asked.

But Wallace continued to press Priebus, saying Trump made two separate inaccurate claims about the size of the inaugural crowd during an appearance at CIA headquarters on Saturday. Wallace also posted side-by-side pictures of Obama and Trump's inaugurations.

"You talk about honesty. You say this is about honesty. But there's another issue here though, Reince, and that is the president's honest. Two things he said yesterday were just flat wrong," Wallace said.

"Take a look at those pictures," Wallace continued, putting up the pictures of Obama's 2009 inauguration and Trump's on Friday. "Which one is bigger?"

"You're also not saying that that picture was taken before he was even speaking," Priebus replied.

"I was there, I was there on the mall," Wallace interjected.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#168427: Jan 22nd 2017 at 11:56:47 PM

I worry for the media

Oh really when?
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#168428: Jan 23rd 2017 at 12:42:02 AM

[up][up][up] On one hand, said groups rarely interact with each other face to face. On the other hand...that's a big part of why we're in this situation in the first place.

Disgusted, but not surprised
GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#168429: Jan 23rd 2017 at 3:33:30 AM

Hah, when FOX (GOP-Propoganda-Machine) News of all people start questioning a Republican President like that, that's saying something. Although, it is Chris Wallace, who I remember John Stewart saying is basically the only part of Fox that lends any integrity and credibility to the station...

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#168430: Jan 23rd 2017 at 4:44:07 AM

Best quote so far: "We are only a few days in and the Trump administration has already used up its entire quota of weird."

Source:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/23/alternative-facts-yes-alternative-cakes-no-the-exciting-adventures-of-trumps-inauguration-cake

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#168431: Jan 23rd 2017 at 5:36:20 AM

The thing here is that gaslighting a news organization is a bit more difficult than gaslighting a random person, if they don't want to be. Why? News organizations keep archives. Of everything. It especially sticks out when the president lies the very next day after something everyone reported on.

Even Fox tries to at least look consistent from day to day because they're smart enough to realize that if they constantly try to switch the furniture every single day, people are going to notice.

Trump and his organization are getting increasingly brazen about doing this, and I think they might be approaching some sort of breaking point. I think it's basically guaranteed that Trump will end up telling a lie so huge and absurd that only the die hard supporters will go along with it.

And, of course, Spicer lacks the charisma or confidence required to pull it off. He comes off like an average guy who doesn't really draw your attention. However, if he draws attention because of absurd and blatant lies that are disproven in three seconds, it makes people way more critical of what he says in the future.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#168432: Jan 23rd 2017 at 5:44:52 AM

Let's list this: just for the simple act of taking over from Obama, he lied about not wanting to have celebrities there (when in fact they did their best to convince them to turn up), about the number of people who attended, had a fake cake (which was also a copy of Obama's cake - except that this one was actually real) and lied about the freaking weather, because apparently he couldn't stand the notion of nature raining on his parade.

The guy has issues.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#168433: Jan 23rd 2017 at 5:49:24 AM

[up] The idea that millions of people in America saw a guy with this many hangups and thought "Yeah, I want this guy to be in charge of thousands of nukes!" is mind-boggling.

Disgusted, but not surprised
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#168434: Jan 23rd 2017 at 6:09:58 AM

[up]They didn't see a guy with hangups, though. They saw a guy who could save America.

i'm tired, my friend
math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#168435: Jan 23rd 2017 at 6:15:00 AM

Save it from what, getting bogged down in another Middle Eastern guerilla war after smashing a functional (if repressive) sovereign nation with an only marginally effective air force? From the corporate interests in government, one of which he genuinely is?

Save it from having to march into the 21st century as primus inter pares?

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#168436: Jan 23rd 2017 at 6:21:08 AM

Save it from what, getting bogged down in another Middle Eastern guerilla war after smashing a functional (if repressive) sovereign nation with an only marginally effective air force? From the corporate interests in government, one of which he genuinely is?

Save it from having to march into the 21st century as primus inter pares?

Save it from PC culture, Muslims, and immigrants, of course.

Oh and also to bring jobs back to America, which totally isn't mostly used to downplay the general bigotry in Trump's campaign, nope, no sirree bob.

i'm tired, my friend
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#168437: Jan 23rd 2017 at 6:23:09 AM

We have jobs in America, and if people are so eager to get immigrants out of the job market, I hope they like doing unskilled labor for shit wages. Illegals sure as hell aren't displacing high-tech manufacturing jobs.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#168438: Jan 23rd 2017 at 6:23:47 AM

At least the guy he actually put in charge of the nukes took it as a cold shower and an urge to start growing a brain.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#168439: Jan 23rd 2017 at 6:28:48 AM

Also, in case people missed it - McCain and Graham are going to vote to confirm Tillerson, despite all their tough talk on Russia. And Rubio seems to be teetering.

Cowards. Just goes to show - the GOP always falls in line.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#168440: Jan 23rd 2017 at 6:36:02 AM

Meeting is a couple hours away and I'm a nervous wreck 😰.

Sheesh.

New Survey coming this weekend!
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#168441: Jan 23rd 2017 at 6:37:27 AM

[up][up]Man, fuck Mc Cain.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#168442: Jan 23rd 2017 at 6:40:34 AM

[up][up] Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

[up] Especially since, when you remember, his choice of Palin as running mate helped pave the way for Trump. Pain was basically Trump-lite in a lot of ways - an incompetent, consummate bullshitter who spouted lies so often people got tired of calling them out.

Yeah, screw McCain. He plays the maverick until the moment when it actually counts, then he quietly falls in line just like the rest of them.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#168443: Jan 23rd 2017 at 6:41:53 AM

I don't get Mc Cain, is he that worried about re-election or just that of a toadie?

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#168444: Jan 23rd 2017 at 6:42:24 AM

What I don't get is if you're going to fall in line why even bother grandstanding? You just bring unnecessary attention to yourself

New Survey coming this weekend!
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#168445: Jan 23rd 2017 at 6:47:21 AM

The GOP probably started leaning on him once they saw he was acting out, and sure enough he buckled.

As for re-election, he's had a death grip on that seat for a while now. But that doesn't mean that the GOP couldn't probably primary him if they put their minds to it.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#168447: Jan 23rd 2017 at 7:08:48 AM

But why should he care? He's over eighty. Does he just want to hold onto that seat until he dies?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#168448: Jan 23rd 2017 at 7:08:48 AM

Ugh, if Tillerson becomes So S, which he almost certainly will..any of the below will be more likely to happen:

1) Russia's sanctions are gone, and Exxon and Putin are gonna make big bucks.

2) Trade war with China. Possible actual shooting war with China.

3) Admittedly this is a long shot given the recent announcement...Trump decides the TPP is great after all and signs it.

Disgusted, but not surprised
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#168449: Jan 23rd 2017 at 7:09:35 AM

Weird, I can't edit my above post.

Edit: Crap, me and Kostya must have posted a comment at the same time.

edited 23rd Jan '17 7:10:46 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#168450: Jan 23rd 2017 at 7:10:39 AM

Don't forget what it would do to climate change.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."

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