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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
@Tactical Fox 88: I don't have much to add to that post besides "FUCKING A."
Don't protest him? Screw that. I'll stop protesting his orange fascist ass when they drag him out of the Orange House in cuffs. I do not respect him, I do not accept him, and I will never stop abhorring him and everything he represents.
Also, I love that there are still people expecting him to just suddenly pivot and start acting presidential still. When, exactly, is this magical pivot going to happen? He's been inaugurated, and he's acting barmier than ever before.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."I'm wondering what their excuse is going to be when the 4 years are up and he still hasn't gotten his act together.
To me it sounds like a person in denial after their relationship just ended.
"They'll call me back anytime now!!"
"I can get them back, if I just try hard enough!"
At some point you have to accept that things are what they are, even if they're bad. ESPECIALLY if they're bad. Which in this case is, Donald is a miserable little pile of secrets and he's never gonna be anything different from that. It's too late for him.
edited 21st Jan '17 8:57:09 PM by Draghinazzo
@ the UN thing: if the US is so stupid as to pull out of the UN, the UN would probably just move to Geneva because they already have facilities there, and they'd probably just add someone else to the Security Council like, I don't know, Sweden or something. A stable country that's well respected by pretty much everyone.
And with Trump. He's done like one thing of substance since the inauguration, and it was preventing a mortgage rate cut. A move that sort of benefits the banks (who weren't actually protesting it to any meaningful degree) and really hurts middle class people.
edited 21st Jan '17 9:03:55 PM by Zendervai
I feel kind of powerless right now. It's not that it's because I'm still just a high schooler, I know friends who went out protesting today. I sat on my ass today. I wish I could help, but I don't know if it's my place to do so.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison![]()
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Eh, if you can help contribute to voter outreach programs at a later time, it's OK.
Waiting 2 months for a bad take that's been ripped apart repeatedly in this very thread before this round of rebuttals:
a) See the rebuttals
b) See the rebuttals
"Please don't protest everything":
With all due respect; see the last 8 years of Republican obstructionism. If you think that working with good faith in them is possible, I'd like part of your supply.
On a more mundane note, how is NH pizza
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I assume that the Orange One's criticism of the media's coverage of the inauguration crowds
has already been posted?
The next four years are going to be as much about how the truth is presented as the truth itself. The election has shown how damaging misinformation can be. I find it supremely hypocritical how often Trump and Trumpling accuse the media of fake news when it was fake news that helped damage Clinton's campaign and allowed Trump to "win" in the first place. Fucking assholes.
Seriously, if you her someone claim anything anti-Trump is just fake news, give'em a good smack in the mouth. You don't get to decide what reality is.
edited 21st Jan '17 10:57:48 PM by StarOutlaw
So I caught A Few Good Men being aired on TV, and holy fuck is Colonel Jessep an amalgam of Trump's ego and bigotry, Pence's religious zealotry and fundamentalism, and Matthis' sociopathy and career background.
edited 21st Jan '17 11:14:00 PM by FluffyMcChicken
@Dingo Walley, last page:
You don't need to control the media — which, yes, would be a violation of the First Amendment; you simply need to overwhelm it. And in the Internet age, that's appalling easy to do. Anyone with a modicum of skill can create a news website, if simply by serving as an RSS feed for other sources.
The thing is, you don't undermine the truth by creating only one, false alternative; you undermine it by creating dozens of alternatives, each varying slightly more than the last, each tailored toward a different demographic — and, amidst that chaos, one (or more) that put forth your own opinion. And that way, you don't just have fake news, you have fake news that agrees with itself, that has loving admirers saying, why yes, of course that's a fact, and how dare anyone think otherwise!
Meanwhile, you've de-legitimized legitimate news sources, by virtually shouting them down ("virtual" in two, but not three, senses of the word), and, of course, guided loyal followers to the One True Voice. None of which tramples on the First Amendment; except, of course, that all of it does.
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Part of the issue likely stems from how the movie lacks the original play's response:
The Governor of my State is part of a whites only country club.
Godfucking dammit.
Not like this.
New Survey coming this weekend!![]()
The entire line has always seemed absurd to me due to the wall in question. It's a wall that's around a bunch of land the US basically stole from the Cuban people. The base at Gitmo doesn't protect the US, Cuba isn't a threat to the US.
That wall doesn't protect anyone in the US from any threat.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranIn Germany, there are actually rules how much coverage each party gets (meaning each party gets exactly the same number of advertising spots, no matter how big or small they are), how much money they are allowed to spend and the source of the money, when the election campaign is allowed to start, when and where the posters are allowed to be shown (not too close to the ballots), and the news is supposed to cover the major parties as fairly as possible. The first time I saw an American Election I was frankly shocked.
I think that more than anything else this series of events has resulted in people desperately trying to pretend Donald Trump somehow represents the will of the people, and not just the will of the select white people who managed, through intimidation and gerrymandering, to force him upon the nation.
Basically, he groped the United States of America.
We see people talk about how Hillary Clinton "repulsed" people with "southern morals and values". To them I say - what morals and values? The values of the Klan? The morals of the whites only country club?
This entire show he made the inauguration into has done nothing but show him as a two bit wannabe dictator with legions of suicidal and moronic supporters. And no, I am not going to stop insulting his supporters - we're gonna need a bigger basket for all these deplorable lunatics.
You know, I'm going to keep it real: the only reason American democracy is so vulnerable to fascism and authoritarianism is that conservative ideology is littered with anti-intellectualism and most are quite frankly, goddamn idiots.
edited 22nd Jan '17 2:07:25 AM by TacticalFox88
New Survey coming this weekend!

First of all, apologies for the delay in this post. It took a while to write, and I also ended up being interrupted halfway through and having to come back an hour or so later, and this thread is moving pretty fast at the moment. For convenience, here's a link back to the original post
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Any narrative that starts with the idea that Trump won the election because he was more popular with the American electorate is starting from false premises.
Reporting facts as facts and lies as lies is not partisanship, even if it results in one side being branded liars. If they're lying, then they should be branded liars. It cannot be understated how important this is. If the media abandons its responsibility as an uninvolved third party in political discourse, then we're officially living in a post-fact world, and we've always been at war with Eastasia.
Several things that are hugely important that you failed to mention:
1) The election was influenced by foreign agents.
This sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it's not. Russia hacked the Democratic party and then passed the information they gathered (after altering some of it) to Wikileaks to be made public. This was a deliberate (and ultimately successful) attempt on their part to aid the Trump campaign. This has been confirmed by a large variety of security agencies, including both the entirety of the American intelligence community as well as a variety of non-government groups. The legitimacy of this conclusion is not in doubt.
2) The election was illegally influenced by the FBI.
Executive branch employees are forbidden by federal law from using their position to do anything that would influence an election. This includes things like making public statements regarding candidates. James Comey, director of the FBI, flagrantly violated these rules regarding Clinton. Regardless of whether they were true or not, he made public statements disparaging Clinton's professional judgement in the middle of election season, and then brought the subject up again just days before the election itself — as an "update" on the email case that turned out to be absolutely nothing. It was a deliberate, manufactured October Surprise — one that was all sound and fury, signifying nothing. But it got "HILLARY EMAIL SERVER!!!" in the headlines again while early voting was actively going on, so it served its purpose as far as the GOP was concerned.
3) The electoral college vote was incredibly close; the popular vote was not.
Clinton unambiguously won the national popular vote by millions of votes. Though the electoral college looks lopsided in Trump's favor, in reality, he won by fantastically narrow margins in a handful of key states. Less than one percent in several cases. It's hard to pin down any one single cause for Clinton's loss, because it was so close to begin with — had any of the things stacked against her not been, she almost certainly would have won. Without Russia and Wikileaks, without Comey and the FBI, without the media's utter failure to take a stand for the truth, without decades of sexism working against Clinton and decades of racism working for Trump, if any of those things had been different, Clinton would have won.
Make no mistake. Trump's election is fundamentally illegitimate. He squeaked by after a variety of factors worked in his favor to put their thumbs on the scale — some of them actually illegal, some of them merely unethical. If that sounds like I'm making a dramatic statement, good. It's a dramatic thing to say. But "dramatic" doesn't mean "overstated" or "incorrect". Trump should not be president — not just in the sense that he'll make a terrible president and I fear for the fate of the nation during his term in office (though that's also true), but in the sense that has the election been free, fair, and open as they should have been, he would not have been elected.
That said, he was elected, and now he's president. I'm not suggesting that we throw him out or re-hold the election or anything like that. As much as I might like to, there's no legal framework for it, and that ship has sailed at this point. But we should absolutely keep it in mind going forward. It fundamentally alters the nature of Trump's presidency, and — more importantly — we must guard against it happening again in future elections.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.