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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I mean, it's the largest economy in the country, the most sensible gun laws, the only clean energy program that doesn't make me want to vomit blood and all the nicest beaches.
It sure would be an improvement over a greedy incompetent rapist.
Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.And just for an example of how the system can work when you don't need to present ID at the polls, New York does fine. You need ID to register but you can use your SSN (or a number of other things like a utility bill in your name) as ID. The ID check is validated through the registration process. (If for some reason this fails, *then* you get asked for ID at the poll.) On election day, you go to your designated polling location and they have a list with all the voters registered for that location and you sign next to your name on the list.
No point arguing with him further. He's got an OTC ban.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"The problem here is that by limiting yourself to strictly this definition, you are missing the larger point about how people who aren't virulently racist can still propagate ideas and do things that end up harming people of different races.
Let's assume for a moment that I do not think that black people are inherently inferior to me. However, let's say that I instead believe they have a "cultural problem" where they're encouraged to be lazy, mooch on welfare, and turn to crime. My rhetoric is then based on telling these people to "get their act together", because I believe they can be better.
You don't have to be a racist person to propagate this idea, but the thing is that it's a very limited perspective that shows little sympathy and understanding for the circumstances of the black community and their historical struggles.
There's also the fact that very few racist people are ever going to admit to being racist, but that's another can of worms altogether.
To use an analogy to make this more palpable, let's say that I'm driving and I hit a person by accident.
Did I mean to hit the person? No. Do I have any reason to have a grudge against that person? No, I don't even know them.
That doesn't mean I didn't hurt them anyways.
It is rather amusingly hypocritical. Democracy is only, apparently, for people who agree with them. Everyone else can suck it.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"EDIT: guy got banned while I was typing this. Leaving it up for posterity anyways.
OK, I'm going to try and refute the argument in a new comment because the thread moves fast. Wolf, you said this:
"Because poor people and minorities are too stupid to know where the DMV is. That is what you're saying.
Do you think so poorly of those people? That those poor poor sheep need to be herded by those brave stronk liberal freedom fighters?"
Before we start keep in mind this two things:
- When you're poor, it's very hard to keep savings and you have very demanding job hours (if you aren't unemployed).
- Minorities on average (not the same as "every person who is a minority") are disproportionately poor thanks too factors outside of their control.
Now, let's say you have a political situation that's so polarized that you can have a very good idea (say, within +-3% of the totals) of how the results will go in most states. Because of this data, you know that a certain demographic will disproportionally vote for party A. And you happen to be a representative of party B in your state's legislature, and for some reason your party manages to have control of the House. Now, how can you stay in power?, one way is to make sure that group that goes strongly for party A has a harder time to register to vote (remember the two things I asked you to keep in mind), and how do you do that? here's some ways:
- 1. Close down DMV's in parts of the state where most of the people from that demographic group live, maybe even require them to even go to a different county to register.
- 2. Make it so you require another type of ID, one that's more expensive to get (like a gun-license?).
- 3. Make it so there's very few voting stations in those districts, so the people there can be up to four hours waiting in line to vote. (which, being poor, means you could lose your job with shitty hours and one bastard of a boss that'll fire you at the first opportunity, and since you have to feed the kids, you cannot afford to do that)
With only those things, it's harder for that demographic to vote. It's not "poor people and minorities are too stupid to know where the DMV is", it's that they intentionally make it harder for poor people and minorities to get to a DMV. Do you understand?
edited 20th Jan '17 2:36:33 PM by IFwanderer
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KVAdding to the Voter ID discussion - many African-Americans born in the South before the Civil Rights Movement do not even have birth certificates, and have to go to court to get them (again, something that requires both time and money).
There's probably dozens of little "quirks" of the system like this that make it difficult to obtain proper voter identification.
And of course, there was the Trump campaign practically calling for their supporters to intimidate voters on election day.
That was fun.
edited 20th Jan '17 2:40:56 PM by Pseudopartition
History check: are there paralells in the 60s and 70s that got passed, re: suppressing protests? At the federal level as opposed to the state?
The Dems actually like Mattis, at least
. He's against torture and his experience right now might be more important than the military-civilian separation.
edited 20th Jan '17 2:42:20 PM by Elle

And all the other people who voted for her...?
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