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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#167851: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:05:47 PM

@No Name

Basically, it's just going to be a general discussion. We agreed not to talk about national politics...yet and focus on things that affect our community and how we feel currently.

I'm not going to mention race until I'm confident that there is a consistent line of communication. And they are a bunch of older white gentlemen so I don't want to keep it too real quite yet lol.

I'm cautiously optimistic.

New Survey coming this weekend!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#167852: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:06:37 PM

[up][up] Maybe the "Whites-Only" House? Which it might be in a year or two.

edited 20th Jan '17 1:06:45 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Matues Since: Sep, 2011
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#167854: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:10:51 PM

@Century: (Using " cause I don't want to type out the code for quoting): "North Carolina's elections are only marginally more free and fair than the likes of Belarus and Iran. (And I'm sure Georgia isn't far off)."

According to the map when you scroll down this page, Georgia is even worse off than NC.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#167855: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:12:12 PM

[up][up][up][up]Let us know how it goes.

edited 20th Jan '17 1:12:28 PM by Kostya

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#167856: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:13:13 PM

Why do I always get page bottomers

edited 20th Jan '17 1:16:14 PM by NoName999

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#167857: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:13:19 PM

@Tactical Fox Good luck!

One thing that's giving me some comfort today - and note that I'm about to get really corny - the last century has seen two World Wars, a Great Depression, and the threat of nuclear war already. There were certainly people who lived through those times who thought that it was the end of everything. And sure, we have challenges that they did not have, but we also have advantages that they didn't.

This isn't to downplay what people are going to go through for the foreseeable future, but this isn't over yet.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#167858: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:16:31 PM

President Trump will honor our men and women in uniform and will support their mission of protecting the public. The dangerous anti-police atmosphere in America is wrong. The Trump Administration will end it.

And thus, every colored person loss 3 shades of color that day

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#167859: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:17:08 PM

[up] I was going to post that myself. That is chilling stuff right there. It means a crackdown in BLM is almost inevitable. Will it just be increased restrictions on protests and whatnot - or arrests? Charge the leaders with domestic terrorism or something and lock them away?

[up][up] Honestly, I almost think we could all use a little cheesiness right now. [tup]

edited 20th Jan '17 1:17:29 PM by RBluefish

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#167860: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:19:53 PM

[up]I think I can manage that.smile

EDIT: Huh; thought you said cheeriness. Eh, whatever, still a funny vid.tongue

edited 20th Jan '17 1:20:51 PM by kkhohoho

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#167861: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:21:30 PM

Guys, can we try to engage in respectful discussion with Wolf at least? There's no need to have everyone here gang up on him every time he says something.

To add onto this, something I wanted to say earlier but got caught up in other things:

There is a difference between a Republican and a Trump supporter. Sure, I think the data points out that most of them voted for Trump without question, but some of them like Protagonist and that other user whose name I can't remember do not support him and did not vote for him.

So while I think most of us would agree that the Republican party, as an instituion presently, has some pretty major problems (to put it lightly), people can identify with the label of "Republican" for a lot of different reasons (some of them might be bad, but you know what I mean). I mean, Colin Powell still calls himself that not only to piss off the other republicans who don't like him, but because I think he believes in what the Republican party used to stand for. We still have at least a handful of republican politicians who are at least somewhat decently respectable people as well. They might not be fully aware of or agree with what the Republican party is doing now in the first place.

We can ask for reasons and point out objections, but it's hard to have a constructive conversation when we assume bad faith from someone based on a label. Keep in mind that by even posting on this forum most of us probably have an above average investment in politics. It would be nice if we could make an effort to calm down just a little. If the person is legitimately getting out of line they're going to get the boot anyways and we all know it.

I'm not a mod or anything but I had to get that off my chest.

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#167862: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:22:48 PM

Figures. I still remember the "Georgia does not need to be babysat" line when the VRA was in news some years ago. note 

As for the better news, bon chance, Tactical Fox 88

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#167863: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:24:59 PM

[up][up][awesome]

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#167864: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:29:20 PM

he believes in what the Republican party used to stand for.
That's the problem, Captain Amazing. USED to.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#167865: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:30:33 PM

Comparison of the crowd at Trump's inauguration with Obama's first inauguration.

I find this to be rather comforting. I don't think he has even a quarter of the attendance Obama got.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#167866: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:31:14 PM

Purely hypothetical question: If the modern GOP ended up suffering a schism that formally splits the party into a "old/Eisenhowerist Republicans" party and "new/Trumpist Republicans" party, what names would you think they'd adopt?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#167867: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:35:14 PM

[up] The Old Eisenhower Republicans are now mostly Democrats.tongue

The Split would be between the Reagan Republicans and the Trumpeteers, but it would depend on who kicks out whom. If the Trumpeteers get kicked out in the next 2-4 years, they'd form something along the lines of the "American Party" or the "Liberty Party" or something (and funnily enough, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the Party Kanye West eventually runs under). If the Reagan Republicans can't get their party back, most of them would simply jump ship and become either Democrats or Libertarians, depending on their Neoconservatist or Libertarian leanings.

edited 20th Jan '17 1:36:03 PM by DingoWalley1

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#167868: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:35:52 PM

RE white house nickname: Why not Orthanc, since Trump Tower is now Barad-dûr?

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#167869: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:36:11 PM

If Trump gets to name the latter we'd probably wind up with the Republicans and the Great American Party.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#167870: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:37:30 PM

The Yuge House.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#167871: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:38:51 PM

[up]Which he'll claim was made with his YUGE bigly tiny hands.tongue

Matues Since: Sep, 2011
#167872: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:40:09 PM

So, hey, Draghinazzo:

Here's my stance on this.

I cannot approach Republicans, or anyone who supports the Republican party, in good faith.

It is the official position of the Republican party that I am basically subhuman garbage who should have no rights at all.

I never chose to be gay, but people damn well do choose what political party they support. They certainly choose to support a party that openly desires to systematically remove my ability to get married, or get a home, or get a job, or even exist.

How am I supposed to look them in the eye and give them a fair shake when they've cheerfully signed off on the party that openly plots harm for me and all of my queer friends?

If you support the Republican party you are complicit in their actions.

So, if you're a Republican, I accept your, at the very best, apathetic acceptance of the destruction my rights, and hope you understand when I don't fucking like you.

edited 20th Jan '17 1:41:29 PM by Matues

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#167873: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:40:27 PM

Such a Trumpist party already existed. 'Twas called the American or "Know-Nothing" party. The nickname as more fitting, and, interestingly it campaigned against an influx of Irish and German immigrants and as strongest in the northeast.

Though I suppose popular rhetoric no requires calling itself the "America Great Party" or something like that. A party built around Trump would essentially be a political machine/ ethnic bloc party. People might jut call it the Trump Tower in the same fashion as Tammany Hall.

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#167874: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:41:09 PM

I[up] [up]I feel the same way but unfortunately I have to hold my tongue for a bit.

edited 20th Jan '17 1:41:23 PM by TacticalFox88

New Survey coming this weekend!
Matues Since: Sep, 2011
#167875: Jan 20th 2017 at 1:42:44 PM

[up]

I understand.

I also edited my post because I think telling someone to fuck off, even if it's in the generic you and not the personal one might skirt the forum lines.

Oh well. I'm like 95% angry gay now so whatever.


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