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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#167701: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:21:29 AM

[up] Here's the thing: I don't expect a different result. I know Dubya's administration was a disaster that, in many ways, sowed the seeds for what we are dealing with now (though Reagan arguably did more on that front). But it is still probably not going to be as bad as what is going to happen over the next four years.

Edit: Ah, I see. Never mind then.

edited 20th Jan '17 10:24:33 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#167702: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:21:49 AM

@Krieger: You do that by actually addressing ordinary people's issues with the truth and forget about categories.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#167703: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:22:54 AM

I as the article and One coment about people in the Rust Belt caught my atention

" Problem is that they all will deny supporting Comrade Donnie after he fucks it all so bad in 4 years. They’ll be like all the Good Germans Allied troops encountered as they marched from the Rhine to outside Berlin. Turns out most were happy to be liberated from Hitler who they never really liked anyway. The Groupies Of Putin will all blame Comrade Donnie for the mess and claim that they tried harder to stop him than the Democrats did. Support for Comrade Donnie will drop like the W stickers off of SU Vs in 2006. Also, the Groupies Of Putin are beyond shame, anyway. They have digressed from W to Palin to Trump. They’ll find some one more fucked up than Trump in 2020."

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#167704: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:22:54 AM

[up][up][up][up][up]I don't see that being asshole behavior. That thread seemed pretty normal.

edited 20th Jan '17 10:23:30 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#167705: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:23:27 AM

[up]x5 That's the logic some were using to justify voting for Trump over Clinton. They thought that voting for Clinton was like another 4-8 years of Obama, who in their eyes, was a failure.

I don't think I need to explain why this is flawed thinking.

edited 20th Jan '17 10:25:08 AM by speedyboris

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#167706: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:25:05 AM

LGBT rights page on White House. gov has also been deleted

All hail Internet archive!

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#167707: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:25:36 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump tries to have archive.org removed while in office.

WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH OCEANIA

edited 20th Jan '17 10:26:11 AM by speedyboris

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#167708: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:25:47 AM

[up][up][up][up][up][up]Liberals have been doing that for decades

Quite frankly, what the Dems should do is energize their base. They already have the broader support anyway just energize and try to prevent the erosion of voting rights

edited 20th Jan '17 10:27:09 AM by NoName999

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#167709: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:26:24 AM

[up][up][up][up][up]It's normal because it's describing why the leader is being an ass. Assery is chronicled here.

Marquis: The execution of that is exactly what I have not been hearing about.

edited 20th Jan '17 10:26:38 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#167710: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:28:16 AM

@boris: Democrats voting for Trump were a relatively negligible sector of the population. Far more of a problem were people that simply stayed home because they've lost faith in the political system, which is something I think was a very significant part of why minority turnout was down and slightly more in Trump's favor compared to Romney. That disillusionment is what we have to break through if we want to win the next election, and the center has little to no goodwill left.

edited 20th Jan '17 10:29:26 AM by CaptainCapsase

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#167711: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:29:15 AM

@167671 De Marquis

Telling people the truth about why their lives apparently suck? Yeah, it's been tried. It doesn't work for a lot of people.

Coal workers for example are probably less likely to vote for the candidate who says "The coal industry has no real future. Your job security is never going to improve. You're better off retraining and seeking a new job in renewables or something." if another candidate says "I'll bring the coal jobs back!"

edited 20th Jan '17 10:33:08 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#167712: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:29:23 AM

[up][up]I'd honestly blame that more on voter suppression, but you do have a point

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#167713: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:33:21 AM

@Krieger, ah I see. Yeah, dick move.

While I think blaming Sanders for Trump's win is hyperbole, I'm starting to believe that his movement (if it sustains itself) is going to do more harm than good.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#167714: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:33:47 AM

[up][up] It doesn't work because the center has pretty much lost whatever goodwill it once had before the great recession; when politicians come out and say that, rural American thinks they're lying, which isn't helped by state level politicians looting funds meant for retraining initiatives for various other projects.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#167715: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:34:15 AM

[up][up] I would not be surprised if the whole thing collapsed before 2018.

edited 20th Jan '17 10:34:23 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#167716: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:35:02 AM

Telling people the truth about why their lives apparently suck? Yeah, it's been tried. It doesn't work for a lot of people.

Coal workers for example are probably less likely to vote for the candidate who says "The coal industry has no real future. Your job security is never going to improve. You're better off retraining and seeking a new job in renewables or something." if another candidate says "I'll bring the coal jobs back!"

That, and it doesn't help that truth in the election for them was everything I agree with, evident by the amount of complete morons who think that Obamacare and ACA are two different things.

edited 20th Jan '17 10:35:41 AM by AngelusNox

Inter arma enim silent leges
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#167717: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:37:24 AM

[up][up] Do you really think that? With Trump in office the democratic base is not going to get more moderate, not in the slightest, and if the party expends the effort necessary to crush the populist insurgency within their own ranks, the infighting will help the GOP further consolidate power.

The democrats desperately need grassroots activism and genuine popular enthusiasm, and they won't be able to mobilize that if they cling to the center in a time when political norms are clearly shifting.

edited 20th Jan '17 10:40:25 AM by CaptainCapsase

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#167718: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:40:16 AM

[up]If the populists keep repeating themselves instead of actually coming up with something free of magical asterisks, they might as well go join the Green Party.

What is now on the White House page: Promises to expand the Navy and Air Force. With what? Who cares? Will it drive up inflation? Yes, but anything that helps us to full luxury communism is good in the long term!

edited 20th Jan '17 10:40:36 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#167719: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:40:31 AM

So right now, Trump had his arms crossed, slouching, and he looks miserable. Such Presidential.

Like he would rather be home tweeting.

Seriously, he has no idea what he got himself into

edited 20th Jan '17 10:42:15 AM by NoName999

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#167720: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:42:15 AM

[up] Aww, so poor Trumpy is feeling nervous?

There is no violin tiny enough on this Earth for me to play right now.

edited 20th Jan '17 10:42:37 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#167721: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:43:27 AM

Welcome to Hell, Donald.

I'll never use his full title if I can help it.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#167722: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:44:07 AM

[up][up][up]It'll pass without trace in less than half an hour. That's how narcissism works. :/

edited 20th Jan '17 10:44:46 AM by Euodiachloris

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#167723: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:44:41 AM

[up]x6 The US isn't even facing a major military threat right now... this is a bad sign, unless they just think it will boost the economy (ie. line their pockets)?

More about the White House site: health care and civil rights references are apparently gone now, too.

edited 20th Jan '17 10:45:22 AM by Pseudopartition

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#167724: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:45:13 AM

@Krieger: The center can either try to meet the left half way and produce a coherent policy free of those unpleasant little asterisks (the real ones rather than things that are merely unpalatable to top democratic donors), or they can plug their ears, cover their eyes, and cling to the hope that the breaking point which will see them removed by force never comes, which is precisely what was done in places like Italy, Germany, and Russia during the early 20th century, in contrast to the United States and other nations which underwent major political shifts during the same period.

edited 20th Jan '17 10:47:53 AM by CaptainCapsase

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#167725: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:47:38 AM

He Who Must Not Be Named is disappointed that his position is one of real responsibility?

Excuse me while I play the World's Smallest Violin

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."

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