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IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#167676: Jan 20th 2017 at 9:29:25 AM

You don't want populism, seriously, as the other South Americans in this Forum can attest, while populism can make things better for a short while, the long term effects are usually devastating and require years to fix the issues. Which is exactly what Trump is promising.
Did you call? And everyone in the forum keep in mind that in that post I'm talking about a nominally left-wing populism.

edited 20th Jan '17 9:29:59 AM by IFwanderer

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
WhatArtThee Since: Oct, 2015
#167677: Jan 20th 2017 at 9:39:12 AM

Well, it's finally happened. The day that I hoped would never come. Donald Trump is president.

We're all gonna die.

Just another day in the life of Jimmy Nutrin
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#167678: Jan 20th 2017 at 9:40:50 AM

X-posting from the Russia thread. Looks like the Kremlin is at least lowering its expectations about Trump. They might be worried that he/his Cabinet will be harder to control than they thought.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/buyers-remorse-kremlin-said-to-fear-trump-wont-be-a-great-deal-after-all

And if the talks backfire....Trump could be a bigger nightmare than Obama ever was.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#167679: Jan 20th 2017 at 9:41:17 AM

[up][up] Everybody dies some day, and even our species' lifespan is finite, if indefinite.

edited 20th Jan '17 9:41:26 AM by CaptainCapsase

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#167680: Jan 20th 2017 at 9:42:29 AM

The New Deal and the reconstruction periods had to deal with tangible and thus solvable problems, not perceived ones though.

The New Deal was the shift from supply side to the demand side, an entire new field of economics emerged as a result to address the market problems that were sinking the country. It benefited a lot of people in the long run but it was addressed to remove the country from the gutter, not just a single layer of the population.

The reconstruction periods saw a severed boost of government financed growth, which in itself wasn't disastrous or bad on itself, but was designed to avoid other populist dictators from rising into power and provide people with opportunities. Also benefited the majority of the people but it was made through institutions and planned programs with clear goals in mind.

Here is the thing that sets apart populism from long term policies that can either work or not.

Populism doesn't care for the consequences of the policies as long as the power groups responsible for those policies and their political base are happy. The constructionist policies designed to improve the country or the status of a large share of the population on the other hand are planed to account for the consequences and usually take a long of time to be implemented.

I read a transcript of Ronald Reagan berating the Federal Reserve for decreasing the influx of credit and dollars during a small inflationary boom in the US economy, arguing that doing so would slow the US economic growth during the period and cost him ratings.

Reagan allowing the Fed to keep the inflation running amok for the sake of keeping his ratings high is populism. The Fed deciding to take a stance that would benefit the US in the long run, including the poorest which would be harmed the most by higher inflation, isn't populism.

That is the difference.

Inter arma enim silent leges
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#167681: Jan 20th 2017 at 9:45:28 AM

[up] We may be operating from a somewhat different definition of the term populist, and moreover, the fact that this massive backlash is occurring all across the world suggests that it's not just a case of shouting at windmills, unlike when this happens in a single country or region. The anger of the populace is in many cases misdirected, but it absolutely is genuine, and based on real problems. There are very serious problems both in the short term and long term with the current economic paradigm, and the political center has failed, is failing, and will continue to fail to address them, since the maintenance of that paradigm is a core part of the centrist identity.

edited 20th Jan '17 9:48:50 AM by CaptainCapsase

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#167682: Jan 20th 2017 at 9:48:07 AM

Re: weekend vacation: Isn't the first couple days schedule always filled with social events anyway? Like, five different balls and gala dinners and lots of meet and greet?

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#167684: Jan 20th 2017 at 9:49:05 AM

Nope, plenty of briefings, appointments, and policies normally get started right away. But Trump is a lazy bastard.

He also plagiarized his speech, from Bane.

http://theslot.jezebel.com/donald-trump-plagiarized-bane-in-his-inaugural-speech-1791429625?rev=1484934336714&utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow

[up]That's exactly what Harper did to the Canadian government on that issue. And now we're decades behind on science in some areas, in some cases thanks to literal book burning.

edited 20th Jan '17 9:50:47 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#167685: Jan 20th 2017 at 9:49:10 AM

Overton Window: And then what? How exactly do you plan to sell policy by a self proclaimed socialist to a Rust Belt middle class family told from birth that socialists are the literal spawn of Satan and identify themselves by their resistance to Socialist Infiltration?

edited 20th Jan '17 9:49:44 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#167686: Jan 20th 2017 at 9:50:37 AM

[up] Because in times of crisis, the Overton Window expands in BOTH directions (insofar as the typical left-right spectrum is even a realistic description of the political landscape), as people become more open to what was previously considered off limits extremism. This also has less to do with Trump voters than it does with people who stayed home rather than voting in the election, by the way, though there's some overlap between those people and the ones who voted for Trump out of frustration and a desire to stick it to the establishment.

edited 20th Jan '17 9:53:23 AM by CaptainCapsase

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#167687: Jan 20th 2017 at 9:51:29 AM

Frmr. Pres. Obama and his Wife have officially left the White House. They are now flying around Washington D.C., before heading off to California for a Vacation.

A salute is in order for the Former President. Although I didn't agree with much of what he did, he did serve this country loyally and as great as he could.

Here's hoping the next 4 years won't suck too much...

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#167688: Jan 20th 2017 at 9:52:59 AM

[up] That's the thing about Obama. He knew that the POTUS serves the American people, not the other way around.

I don't think Trump realizes that.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#167689: Jan 20th 2017 at 9:54:45 AM

[up][up][up]And what crisis exactly? The imaginary sort existing in the minds of meme page readers and Fox News watchers? The crisis manufactured by those in denial of Sanders' lack of appeal with minorities?

The Concourse on how "fake news" became a meaningless term so quickly. When you've been told since you could hear that everything disagreeing with your worldview is a lie, truth soon ceases to matter.

edited 20th Jan '17 9:55:10 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#167690: Jan 20th 2017 at 9:57:26 AM

[up] If we weren't in a period of crisis, Trump wouldn't be in office, because people wouldn't have voted for him. The current political center is in its death throes, trying to run more centrists will simply help Trump and his overseas counterparts further consolidate power. Incidentally, Clinton didn't appeal to minorities either considering the drop in turnout among minorities and the fact that Trump somehow improved over past Republicans in terms of those who did.

edited 20th Jan '17 10:01:24 AM by CaptainCapsase

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#167691: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:00:06 AM

LGBT rights page on White House. gov has also been deleted

New Survey coming this weekend!
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#167693: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:04:15 AM

[up] Trump is.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#167694: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:07:51 AM

I have not been a fan of several of Obama's policies in office but I have generally respected him as a decent human. If he were still just a law professor rather than a politician I probably would have liked him a lot.

I'd take another four years of him if it was legal. Alas...

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#167695: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:08:45 AM

[up][up]Gotta make room for what Putin wants

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#167696: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:10:04 AM

[up][up][up][up][up][up]Observing that is fine and all, but not once has the "we can't run centrists anymore" party explained to me how exactly do you sell left-wing policy to a populace conditioned to reject it instantaneously based on what it sounds like on Fox News or some heavily artifacted meme instead of what it does.

"Didn't appeal to minorities either" "Still the establishment" "Still a late stage capitalist". Easily digestable soundbites. But how do you advance past a mass of sound and fury, signifying nothing and start convincing people to vote for you?

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#167697: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:14:53 AM

[up][up][up] I'd take another four years of Dubya right now. Hell, eight years.

Disgusted, but not surprised
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#167698: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:15:37 AM

I'd happily take Nixon.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#167699: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:16:29 AM

Well, evidently the Women's March leader is an arse.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#167700: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:17:12 AM

[up][up][up][up] "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."- Attributed to Albert Einstein.

The current centrist platform and strategy is a dead end; unless he makes some dramatic shifts in regards to his presentation and his likely platform, Corey Booker is going to lose in 2020 if he ends up getting nominated.

[down] I was replying to Krieger.

edited 20th Jan '17 10:23:22 AM by CaptainCapsase


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