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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#167501: Jan 19th 2017 at 5:48:32 PM

Let's go down the list.

None of that is being Hawkish...

She may well be an Islamaphobic pro-Russian Assad-supporter but that's not being a Hawk, that's being Islamaphobic and pro-Russia.

Hawks are by and large anti-Russia and pro-toppling dictatorships (well pro-war, but wars against dictators are still wars).

She's part of the hipster left it would appear, she considers the US the international bad guys (a debatable but understandable position) and anyone who opposes the US (Russia, Cuba, etc...) to be the good guys (an absurdity). That's not being Hawkish, it's being a hipster.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#167502: Jan 19th 2017 at 5:56:49 PM

[up] Honestly, both the US (Outside of a select few states) and their enemies are evil, but Russia (The government, not the people. Most Russian people I've met have been really nice, including the ones here) has just gotten bumped up to the top of the evil bastard list.

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#167503: Jan 19th 2017 at 5:59:32 PM

I don't understand why people are calling Tulsi Gabbard a DINO. She's a proponent of increasing the funding of SS and Medicare, she's Pro-Abortion, Pro-Gay Rights, Pro-Native Rights, Pro-Immigration Reform, she's against the Dakota Access Pipeline (Hell, she was protesting with the rest of the Vets there when that was happening), she's against War and Drone Strikes, she's Pro-Bernie Sanders.

Since I'm a Libertarian and not a Democrat, what actually makes Tulsi a "DINO"? Not wanting to invade Syria? Potentially wanting to work with Trump?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#167504: Jan 19th 2017 at 6:01:19 PM

[up][up][up] Okay, I get thinking the USA is a bully. It's totally understandable, given the shit this country has pulled.

But to assume that other countries pulling shit against the USA are doing so out of inherent goodness and justice? That's bullshit.

Especially Russia. Geopolitics has been dominated for decades by what is essentially a longrunning pissing match between Russia and the USA. They bring out the worst in each other.

edited 19th Jan '17 6:02:05 PM by M84

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#167505: Jan 19th 2017 at 6:03:41 PM

[up] Especially if you are South American. They suffered the most under the US.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#167506: Jan 19th 2017 at 6:06:38 PM

she's Pro-Bernie Sanders.

For some people that itself is a crime worthy of expulsion from the party, so I suspect that's the reason.

Don't get me wrong, I think she represents several things wrong with the far-left, but the idea that she's to the party's right is absurd.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
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#167507: Jan 19th 2017 at 6:10:03 PM

[up] But... But that's the faction of the party that's gaining power in the Democratic Party.tongue

[down] Okay, that's definitely fair.

edited 19th Jan '17 6:12:16 PM by DingoWalley1

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#167508: Jan 19th 2017 at 6:10:54 PM

[up][up] If that were enough of a reason, people would be hating on Keith Ellison a lot more than they do on her.

The impression I get of Gabbard is that she's a shameless opportunist. She says whatever she thinks will get her ahead in politics — she has no real principles. She started out as a grifter, and she's a grifter still. In many ways, she is everything HRC's critics accused HRC of being.

Maybe that's not enough to get one labeled a DINO. But she's still not someone to be trusted with more power.

edited 19th Jan '17 6:15:55 PM by M84

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#167509: Jan 19th 2017 at 6:14:05 PM

So basically, she's a female Trump?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#167510: Jan 19th 2017 at 6:15:02 PM

[up] Precisely.

What worries me is that Sanders and his supporters may be too forgiving of her many, many flaws just because she endorsed him.

edited 19th Jan '17 6:18:11 PM by M84

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#167511: Jan 19th 2017 at 6:34:55 PM

You sure you don't mean a democratic party Kellyanne Conway? I think the Trump comparison requires a very very low bar for one to crawl under.

In all seriousness, I know nothing about Representative Gabbard besides what I could gleam from a quick Wikipedia skimming, but if she's capable of surfing the political waves with such expertise, shouldn't she at least be near the 2018/2020 campaign planning team?

.

edited 19th Jan '17 6:35:41 PM by CenturyEye

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#167512: Jan 19th 2017 at 6:37:45 PM

[up] I'll put it this way — if she somehow ends up on the Democratic party ticket in 2020...I'll still vote for her over Trump, but I'll be very unhappy about it. Since I doubt very much that the GOP and/or Trump will be able to redeem themselves by then.

I don't actually think Conway is that much better than Trump, though she has at least been consistent on one position: hating HRC. I definitely don't agree with said position one iota, but I kind of respect that she has at least stuck to a position. About the only position I think Trump has stuck to throughout his life is that he doesn't like China very much — not that this stops him from buying Chinese steel or borrowing money from China's bank.

edited 19th Jan '17 7:30:50 PM by M84

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Oh, bother.
#167515: Jan 19th 2017 at 8:22:26 PM

A capital 'R' is close enough to a capital 'A' that I can see this as just being an honest mistake. Still...[lol]

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Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#167516: Jan 19th 2017 at 8:51:19 PM

[up][up][up][up] And he's trading one imperialistic capitalist Asian country (China) for another (Russia). Oh, but the other is primarily White (White Asians do exist, though outside of the Middle East (Probably due to being Islamic) they aren't regarded as a separate race from North America and European Whites the same way "yellow" and "brown" Asians are. Russians and people from Western Asian countries are White Asians), so it's OK according to him...

edited 19th Jan '17 8:52:18 PM by Bat178

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#167519: Jan 19th 2017 at 9:07:38 PM

[up][up] ...Hopefully the last term too. If he gets re-elected...

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#167520: Jan 19th 2017 at 9:10:00 PM

[up] If he does get re-elected, then that would mean that America is at least doing alright. Considering how despised Trump actually is, America would have to at least be doing okay for him to have a prayer.

Either that, or the Voter Suppression gets out of control and/or we've basically established a One-Party State.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#167521: Jan 19th 2017 at 9:10:10 PM

[up][up] Hopefully his age and bad health catch up to him.

edited 19th Jan '17 9:10:22 PM by Bat178

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#167522: Jan 19th 2017 at 9:20:40 PM

[up][up] Five bucks says that regardless of America's prosperity in 4 years, Republicans will have gutted voting rights and turned the US into an effective One-Party State regardless.

edited 19th Jan '17 9:21:45 PM by TrashJack

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#167523: Jan 19th 2017 at 9:26:51 PM

Tulsi Gabbard is a tankie.

That's enough of a deal breaker for me.

I can understand working with dictators because that's all there is, but going out of your way to declare that someone who ripped the heart out of their own country because they feared losing power did nothing wrong is right out in my book.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#167524: Jan 19th 2017 at 9:29:45 PM

[up] I mean hell, even most Russians probably don't hold that much of a rose-colored view of the times under Stalin. Heck, they probably don't particularly love Putin either and mostly stick with him on the basis of "he's still better than the opposition".

edited 19th Jan '17 9:31:49 PM by M84

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Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#167525: Jan 19th 2017 at 9:39:15 PM

[up] I heard someone on the General Russia Topic say that most Russians actually don't miss the Soviet times. Most of them probably also only stick with Putin because they know that the opposition won't win regardless of how they feel about him.

edited 19th Jan '17 9:40:02 PM by Bat178


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