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BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#167451: Jan 19th 2017 at 12:47:23 PM

Have we ever had a government that's been as corrupt and inept as the incoming one seems to be?
Corrupt, arguably yes. Inept, for particular areasnote , but not across the board.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#167452: Jan 19th 2017 at 12:49:12 PM

If you do not want to read:
*From white supremacy to Barack Obama: The history of the Democratic Party

One commentator summed up the process as South=bad guys, which isn't true said like that (I hope), but alot of blotches on US politics come from Reconstruction being left half-done.
*Edit: Late again—this was for that question about why did [the parties] switch places?

[down]And I live in the South. Wasn't agreeing with that.

edited 19th Jan '17 1:00:27 PM by CenturyEye

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Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#167453: Jan 19th 2017 at 12:53:05 PM

[up] Considering Trump is from the Northeast (New York), not the South, the South aren't the bad guys.

edited 19th Jan '17 12:53:11 PM by Bat178

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#167454: Jan 19th 2017 at 12:54:38 PM

@Blue Ninja 0: I'd argue the most corrupt Government America had was during Warren G. Harding's (The 29th President, after Woodrow Wilson and WWI) Administration. Several Scandals (such as the Teapot Dome Scandal) and Greedy Government Appointments (such as his Director of the Veterans Bureau, Charles Forbes) really damaged the Country's ability to Govern and stole Millions of Dollars from Tax Payer funds. The man also Gambled constantly (even losing Fine China in the White House due to Gambling Debts) and had several Affairs while in Office.

Time will tell if Trump's Administration is just as bad as, or worse then, Harding's.

edited 19th Jan '17 12:55:43 PM by DingoWalley1

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#167455: Jan 19th 2017 at 12:56:14 PM

I think I've heard people draw comparisons between Trump and Harding before. The biggest difference in my eyes is, Harding didn't have the technology to actively destroy all life on Earth. Nor was there the threat of him passively dooming all life on Earth through ignorance and indifference.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#167458: Jan 19th 2017 at 12:59:12 PM

Already posted that on the prior page...

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#167459: Jan 19th 2017 at 1:00:42 PM

Double post that happened to be a page topper?

FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#167460: Jan 19th 2017 at 1:08:38 PM

Maybe they just wanted to pagetop it; stuff sometimes gets omitted when bottompaged.

But... that's a bad thing, isn't it? Would sandercrats be more willing to perform a Calexit or is there nothing to fear?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#167461: Jan 19th 2017 at 1:10:01 PM

I think that a serious proposal for Calexit needs far more than that. Besides, I don't have any idea whether the Sanders wing actually endorses Calexit.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#167462: Jan 19th 2017 at 1:11:15 PM

As long as they don't go full "Herbal Tea Party" as Ambar has called them, I wish them luck if they use the position to get more dems in power through the US.

Edit: I don't think Sanders himself would endorse Calexit, but then again, there are people who call themselves "Sanders supporters" but only support him as long as he says what they want, and when he says something they disagree with (like endorsing Hillary) they are like "he didn't mean it, it's just pandering to the DNC".

edited 19th Jan '17 1:21:30 PM by IFwanderer

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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#167463: Jan 19th 2017 at 1:28:44 PM

Our Revolution ran an on-the-ground get-out-the-vote effort to make sure supporters attended caucuses in each of the state’s 80 assembly districts. The group sent out more than 100,000 emails and delivered 40,000 text messages, Jackson told The Hill. More than 800 Sanders supporters signed up to run for delegate seats.

Longtime Democratic activists, used to low-turnout caucuses in which only party regulars show up, were stunned by the long lines they faced this year. One party strategist in Sacramento said he waited 45 minutes in line before being able to vote, when he was used to walking in and out in the span of five minutes.

The surge in turnout, and Sanders backers’ success, caught the attention of elected leaders in Sacramento.

“There’s a lot of energy in the party right now. We need to move really quickly to harness this energy,” state Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon (D) said in an interview, marveling at the turnout in his Los Angeles-area district.

Mobilization is everything. And if Sanders-supporters are the ones doing it, more power to them.

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#167464: Jan 19th 2017 at 1:43:26 PM

In addition to the letter sent to my Rep, I just sent one to my Senator also, urging her to filibuster Every. Single. One. of Drumpf's cabinet picks.note 

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#167465: Jan 19th 2017 at 2:17:32 PM

So, I was reading that post a couple of pages back that linked to the article reporting on Perry's confirmation hearing, and I spotted this comment in the article (by Perry):

Perry said he was generally supportive of a state's right to block the siting of nuclear waste dumps, like Yucca Mountain in Nevada, but fell short of ruling out the federal government's power to impose them over state objections in some cases.

So, Republicans favour small government and oppose big government.... except when they don't?

edited 19th Jan '17 2:18:14 PM by Wyldchyld

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#167466: Jan 19th 2017 at 2:18:37 PM

They favor small government when they're not the ones in charge

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#167467: Jan 19th 2017 at 2:36:14 PM

Yeah. I can see that.

You know, it's a funny, and somewhat surreal, thing. I was given the The West Wing box set for Christmas. I've never seen this show before and I didn't ask for it. Some people who know me well said they got fed up of waiting to see if I'd ever pick it up and so bought it for me. I've reached Series 4 right now (Bartlett's reelection campaign against Governor Ritchie).

Normally, I wouldn't compare a television show to real life (except for Yes, Minister which is well-known for having parodied real life extremely well, as commented on by both politicians and civil servants (and, in fact, turns out to be rather on the ball about the Russia Scenario - albeit using East Germany rather than Crimea)). However, in the wake of 2016, some of the storylines have been jumping out at me like a jack-in-the-box.

The writers basically predicted exactly how a Trump-type candidate would wage an election campaign, and how successful that would be. Unfortunately, they have too much faith in the ability of the American people to rally around the 'right candidate' at the last minute to vote Bartlett back into office (but only by making Bartlett a mixture of Hillary and Obama - Hillary's frightening competence and experience combined with Obama's charisma, oratory and 'people person' image).

I find myself reflecting as I watch it that, sometimes, fiction writers do get it right on the money... and at other times, the sole reason they get it wrong is because they see exactly what can go wrong and how it will go wrong but let their faith in people override their instinct of how it would really end up if done in real life.

edited 19th Jan '17 2:42:40 PM by Wyldchyld

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#167468: Jan 19th 2017 at 2:42:32 PM

The thing about fiction is that in fiction, the good guys mostly win in the end. It's less faith in the people, I think, and more letting the rules of fiction override the ones of reality.

edited 19th Jan '17 2:43:22 PM by Gilphon

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#167469: Jan 19th 2017 at 2:42:54 PM

Yep, and that's where it falls down.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#167470: Jan 19th 2017 at 2:42:55 PM

... Is the Sanders takeover of California's Democrat Party going to have any tangible effect on the Democrat-dominated government?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#167471: Jan 19th 2017 at 3:10:06 PM

I sure as fuck hope not. Jerry Browns pragmatism saved the state from falling off a cliff.

New Survey coming this weekend!
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#167472: Jan 19th 2017 at 3:16:47 PM

Not sure that his "water fix" is the right way to fix the water problems, though.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#167473: Jan 19th 2017 at 3:26:20 PM

If the Sanders branch can start functioning in actual reality, great. Until then, I don't consider Sanders to have had a good effect on the party, and frankly, if he hadn't decided to make the party into part of this evil, monolithic establishment he had to fight I doubt we'd be in this mess.

And after what he just pulled with Booker, I'm finding it hard to like him.

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#167474: Jan 19th 2017 at 3:28:09 PM

With all of Trump's picks and talk of Calexit I'm starting to think the coastal states being a completely separate government from the mid-west would be a good thing. They have the most money and give more to the red states. It is absolutely stupid, but maybe less stupid than Drumf's personal fiefdom.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#167475: Jan 19th 2017 at 3:38:24 PM

What about Booker?

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