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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#166851: Jan 15th 2017 at 8:46:51 AM

[up][up][up]Even so I don't think those people mean they want America to become a vassal state of Russia. They want a Strongman like Putin. The thing is if Trump is being blackmailed that would make him look weak. It would also drive away the moderates that went to Trump because he promised to change things. I doubt this is the change they had in mind.

edit: There's also the CIA, NSA, etc. No matter what Trump or the American people want they'll probably work day and night to undermine him. You think they'll put in all this effort and then go "Well the American people don't care. Guess we'll just let Trump remain in office."

edited 15th Jan '17 8:48:07 AM by Kostya

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#166852: Jan 15th 2017 at 9:08:29 AM

Even if they DO want a strongman they don't want one that's going to take away their health care.

You know, like the GOP are planning on doing.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#166853: Jan 15th 2017 at 9:13:03 AM

"At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Trump tries to make New York City America's capital just so he can stay in Trump Tower instead of the WH."

Reversing the Dinner Table Compromise? If Trump can do that, he can do anything.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#166854: Jan 15th 2017 at 9:30:34 AM

[up] Emphasis on tries, of course.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#166855: Jan 15th 2017 at 9:45:02 AM

Has Trump made serious attempts to continue living in Trump Tower? Keep in mind that this isn't the only time someone moved into the White House from a better house.

Leviticus 19:34
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#166856: Jan 15th 2017 at 10:01:23 AM

Early on it came out that he wants to only live in the White House part time.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#166857: Jan 15th 2017 at 10:11:39 AM

would it be a fair assessment to say that You can tell more about an American by their politics than just about any other category?

Because honestly, I think religion being one of the "taboos" of talking stuff with with strangers has long since sailed. I'll talk about Jesus at work or school (even tho I'm an atheist) before I will go even 200 miles of politics unless I'm absolutely sure said person is not a complete buffoon and won't just spew talking points

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#166858: Jan 15th 2017 at 10:27:21 AM

Yeah, religion is easy to talk about unless there are really touchy fanatics (theists or atheists) in the room. When it comes to politics, even people who are otherwise moderate and mild manned can get into what can become shouting matches.

edited 15th Jan '17 10:27:42 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#166859: Jan 15th 2017 at 10:33:36 AM

Yeah, I'm about as mild-mannered as they come usually, and I think even I would probably end up yelling myself hoarse if I wound up getting into it with a Trump supporter.

Also, the number of Democratic reps who will refuse to attend the inauguration is now at two dozen and counting. And it again bears pointing out that they're mostly nonwhite.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#166860: Jan 15th 2017 at 10:38:38 AM

Did we talk about John Lewis in this thread already? Because fuck Trump, honestly.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#166861: Jan 15th 2017 at 10:38:40 AM

I will say this much: if I meet someone who still supports Trump a year or two from now — and Trump's administration turns out to be as bad as we fear it will likely be — I will have some choice four letter words ready.

If they are also whining about losing health insurance thanks to the ACA repeal...yeah, I'm gonna be needing a throat lozenge or two afterwards.

edited 15th Jan '17 10:40:42 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#166862: Jan 15th 2017 at 10:42:14 AM

As a Brit can I note confusion at the John Lewis thing? Why is Trump fighting with an upmarket department store and why does everyone care? tongue

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#166863: Jan 15th 2017 at 10:43:06 AM

[up][up][up] I mentioned it, here and in the racism thread. Yeah, fuck Trump. Seriously. Fuck him. John Lewis is an American hero. Trump is worthless scum at best.

Probably the most cathartic tweet I've seen on the matter is this one from Congresswoman Yvette Clarke, straight-up saying that Trump isn't fit to polish Lewis's boots.

Good news is that this whole thing seems to be becoming something of a rallying cry for like-minded Democrats. And that sales of March, the graphic novel about Lewis, are up 76,000% on Amazon. Sales of Lewis's biography? Up 800,000%.

edited 15th Jan '17 10:44:18 AM by RBluefish

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#166864: Jan 15th 2017 at 10:48:26 AM

It's telling that not many Republican Senators/Reps came to Lewis' defense.

Like you couldn't be more telling of how they feel about race if they put a Neon sign saying "WE ARE RACIST!!"

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#166865: Jan 15th 2017 at 10:50:49 AM

[up] They're either racist themselves or unwilling to go against their party lines even if it means enabling a racist.

Deplorable either way. And I'd argue that the latter are worse.

Disgusted, but not surprised
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#166866: Jan 15th 2017 at 10:53:31 AM

[up]that didnt surprise me at all, the party is a political cult, there is not sin against the party but betrayal so they let trump do whatever the hell he wants.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#166867: Jan 15th 2017 at 10:57:21 AM

Republicanism is their religion.

That's why they never followed Jesus' teachings. It was never part of their core sets of beliefs

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#166868: Jan 15th 2017 at 10:58:01 AM

[up] Heh, judging by their priorities, they're worshipers of Mammon.

Disgusted, but not surprised
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#166869: Jan 15th 2017 at 11:01:06 AM

Hell, the only one I can think of was like one single Republican senator who praised what Lewis had accomplished by talking (in response to Trump saying he was "all talk, talk, talk and no action"). And this same white senator had just told Lewis that he should attend the inauguration anyway, despite his moral objections, because it "isn't about a man."

Dude, word to the wise - stop trying to whitesplain to John goddamned Lewis how he should peacefully protest systematic injustice, eh? (Also, stop trying to steal people's healthcare while you're at it, you prick.)

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#166870: Jan 15th 2017 at 11:05:13 AM

At best, they don't care enough about Lewis or the image that Trump presents by belittling Lewis to say anything about it.

Also yeah politics has gotten awful and it's not just in the US. This goes without saying, I think that's in large part because some people want things to keep changing and bringing the status quo to unfamiliar territory (their idea of a more just, fair society for everyone), while a lot of other people are resentful of the change that's already happened and want to go BACK to a time where things were supposedly better for them or society.

When this supposed golden era was also a period where you or people you care about had less rights and were treated even worse than they are now, you're going to have a lot of understandable resentment against anyone who wants to "turn back the clock" so to speak. As parts of society change more and more ideologically, others don't and the ideological gap becomes bigger and bigger.

Speaking for myself that's why I have no real resentment against actual principled conservatives, but I loathe reactionaries. Both my brother and sister are LGBT+ so I have no respect for people like Pence who don't think they deserve to exist.

edited 15th Jan '17 11:07:38 AM by Draghinazzo

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#166871: Jan 15th 2017 at 11:05:46 AM

[up][up]the way you world it, it sound more like "look, I know the dude is a prick but can you atempt anyway? pleaaaaaaaaase?"

[up]Is also the fact that the new times were less devoid of conflict than the old times: war in the middle east, cultural wars about religion,LGTB,assenge,etc a lot of thing change it but a lot stay the same, so for some they want the simple and "right" times back.

edited 15th Jan '17 11:08:12 AM by unknowing

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#166872: Jan 15th 2017 at 11:16:27 AM

When this supposed golden era was also a period where you or people you care about had less rights and were treated even worse than they are now, you're going to have a lot of understandable resentment against anyone who wants to "turn back the clock" so to speak. As parts of society change more and more ideologically, others don't and the ideological gap becomes bigger and bigger.

I seem to recall an old Daily Show bit where Jon dug a little deeper into exactly what various Fox pundits and Republican leaders meant when they were talking about the "good old days," and found that not only did each of them have a different idea of when the "good old days" were, but that they tended to correspond to the time period of that individual's childhood.

So in other words, a time when shit still sucked, they just didn't know it because they were a dumb kid who didn't know any better.

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#166873: Jan 15th 2017 at 11:17:54 AM

The "its not about a man" nonsense irks me especially. Besides the fact that inauguration is essentially a new era party staring and celebrating the new president, you can get politics from just about anything.

Last November people grew beards to raise cancer awareness. Everything makes a statement, and I can more than forgive anyone who's statement is "I do not want to support this nor do I want my face in the newsreel when future students are watching "The Alt-Right - A Warning from History.""

edited 15th Jan '17 11:19:01 AM by CenturyEye

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#166874: Jan 15th 2017 at 11:37:59 AM

[up]Just a thing here: everything CAN be made political which is somewhat diferent of saying everything is, problem is Trump side expect nobody make anything political while the oposite isnt true.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#166875: Jan 15th 2017 at 11:40:23 AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5o4dpg/mike_pence_denies_contacts_with_russia_during/

Chris Wallace had to press Pence 3 different times for him to lie and say that the campaign had no contact with Russia.

Pence is going out with Trump.

Ryan, you're in.


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