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CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#166801: Jan 14th 2017 at 8:46:55 PM

[up][up]From the comments of the Red State site:

  • "Not too many people dislike Trump more than I, but this is as ridiculous as Obama and his peace prize. That being said, I think this is a good thing. as long as the left keeps Trump as its enemy, we have the best chance of putting through conservative policies, as he will always lash out at them. If they ever discover that they can manipulate him through praise, then those chances become reduced."
  • "That's exactly right. Let's test their ability to multitask. Can they simultaneously act like complete reactionary morons and oppose sound conservative policies in a rational way? The more they beclown themselves, the more likely it is that he responds by doing things that we'll like."
  • "Apart from the bit about "changing US law to allow torture of terrorism suspects" it seems that their complaints about his "misogynistic, xenophobic, and racist rhetoric" are all focused on typical leftist gibberish. It's xenophobic to want to enforce existing immigration laws. It's misogynistic to oppose abortion. It's racist to ... what is that stupid claim about again? His promise to help revitalize minority communities in the inner cities? And seriously... a desire to repeal the ACA can be considered a factor warranting human rights scrutiny? That's stupid-on-steroids right there..."

Are we sure there's a "we" to stand together? We might just be that poster child for divide et impera that historians will sing about for centuries, this cycle a political cannae. I know things like the indivisible guide give out plans for the times, but then I read the above and feel a distinct lack of allies or a common language. One does not expect one's countrymen to respond with schadenfreude when they show clear fear of the future that's backed up by international humanitarian organizations.

edited 14th Jan '17 8:47:53 PM by CenturyEye

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#166802: Jan 14th 2017 at 9:04:57 PM

There has never been a situation where the entirety of any country's population went against their country's leader. So the fact that comments on a website with a decided conservative bent don't really match up with the likes of the liberal posters on this, an entirely different website, should not really be taken as discouraging. (And really I don't think the comment sections on many websites should be taken as a sign that you will be defeated. Every site attracts a certain crowd so it's not like you're going to get a friendly debate on most of them. All comment sections should be read with a saltshaker nearby.)

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#166803: Jan 14th 2017 at 9:09:24 PM

As of right now the Trump team is under a preservation order. Meaning, the destruction of ANYTHING (texts, emails, memos, materials, etc.) is a an automatic felony charge.

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#166804: Jan 14th 2017 at 9:12:47 PM

The number of Democratic congresspeople refusing to attend the inauguration has grown to at least 20 as of today, with several declaring they will boycott the ceremony out of solidarity with John Lewis.

I notice that most of them aren't white, which probably isn't a coincidence.

edited 14th Jan '17 9:14:19 PM by RBluefish

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#166805: Jan 14th 2017 at 9:12:56 PM

One does not expect one's countrymen to respond with schadenfreude when they show clear fear of the future that's backed up by international humanitarian organizations.
I saw an article somewhere that reflected that, while Republicans often seem like the most terrified people face of the planet, the author was even more concerned over Republicans' complete lack of fear on issues like the environment, health, etc.

edited 14th Jan '17 9:14:09 PM by Eschaton

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#166807: Jan 14th 2017 at 11:30:11 PM

Re: Preservation order - why do I get the feeling that they're just gonna do it anyway?

It's been fun.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#166808: Jan 14th 2017 at 11:42:46 PM

Because you pay attention and I think Trump's already violated a similar order?

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#166809: Jan 15th 2017 at 12:00:43 AM

Also because rules and regulations mean absolutely jack shit to aspiring authoritarians like Trump. He's demonstrated that over and over by now.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#166810: Jan 15th 2017 at 12:20:45 AM

Do note that as breaking the Preservation Order is a felony, it, in itself, would be considered an impeachable offense for Trump and his Cabinet. Trump and his Cabinet would have to not get caught breaking it or otherwise he could be impeached and possibly convicted for a felony just for breaking the Preservation Order.

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#166811: Jan 15th 2017 at 12:36:59 AM

Sincere question, though - who would enforce it? Pretty soon, Trump and the GOP will have control of the Senate, the House, the DOJ, and probably the Supreme Court. Christ, probably even our intelligence agencies. Who's going to hold him accountable?

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#166812: Jan 15th 2017 at 12:37:44 AM

Yeah, but who oversees that order and determines whether it's been broken? Either way, impeachment is set by Congress - and there's no way they'd impeach their President a week after the inauguration.

It's been fun.
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#166813: Jan 15th 2017 at 3:20:46 AM

Lmao.

Trump's gonna tweet about this later this week.

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#166814: Jan 15th 2017 at 4:44:06 AM

N.S.A. Gets More Latitude to Share Intercepted Communications

In its final days, the Obama administration has expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.

The new rules significantly relax longstanding limits on what the N.S.A. may do with the information gathered by its most powerful surveillance operations, which are largely unregulated by American wiretapping laws. These include collecting satellite transmissions, phone calls and emails that cross network switches abroad, and messages between people abroad that cross domestic network switches.

Guess somebody is pissed off...

edited 15th Jan '17 4:44:42 AM by TerminusEst

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#166815: Jan 15th 2017 at 5:26:14 AM

The 1st foreign dignitary Trump will meet? Putin

Donald Trump’s first foreign trip as president is expected to be a visit with Russian President Vladimir Putin, The Sunday Times reported late Saturday.

The U.K. newspaper said Trump and his team told British officials that their first foreign trip would be a summit in Iceland with Putin within weeks of his inauguration.

The plan is likely a nod to Ronald Reagan’s Cold War visit in Reykjavik with Mikhail Gorbachev, the newspaper noted.

Incoming White House press secretary Sean Spicer called the report "100 percent false" on Twitter.

The Times has reported that Trump wants to discuss nuclear disarmament with Putin, citing sources who said Trump wants to meet Putin outside of Russia and that Reykjavik was a strong contender.

The meeting had not been announced by Trump team officials or Russian officials, and reports say Iceland has not been formally contacted about such an event.

Trump’s relationship with Putin has been the subject of controversy following U.S. intelligence reports that Russia interfered in the election to help the businessman.

Trump has asserted he won without the help of Russia, but has recently acknowledged he thinks they were behind hacks that targeted the Democratic National Committee.

What was that saying "Perception is Reality" LOLOLOLOL *cries*

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#166816: Jan 15th 2017 at 5:31:45 AM

I don't see any problem. He's just touching base with his supervisor. Good to keep in touch with the home office, you know?

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#166817: Jan 15th 2017 at 5:40:30 AM

So is anyone else wondering if Trump will be able to go through at least one week in the next four years without making a total ass of himself? On Twitter or otherwise?

edited 15th Jan '17 5:47:19 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#166818: Jan 15th 2017 at 5:47:12 AM

I'm kind of wondering if when Trump gets around to the Canada visit, if he's going to try and wrangle a stay in the Trump building in Toronto...and discover that he screwed up and his building in Canada isn't actually in the capital, or even anywhere near Ottawa.

Especially considering all the legal problems surrounding the building. A bunch of the investors want the people who actually own the building to drop the Trump name, because it's not doing any good for the business flow.

Especially since Trump is not the name for luxury in Toronto. The Fairmont Royal York is, because that's where the Royal Family stay when they visit Toronto.

edited 15th Jan '17 5:48:18 AM by Zendervai

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#166819: Jan 15th 2017 at 5:47:31 AM

[up][up][up]It's been ages since his last face-to-face performance review. It was well past due. sad

edited 15th Jan '17 5:48:02 AM by Euodiachloris

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#166820: Jan 15th 2017 at 5:48:01 AM

[up][up] <cue Trump demanding that Canada make Toronto its new capital>

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Trump tries to make New York City America's capital just so he can stay in Trump Tower instead of the WH.

edited 15th Jan '17 5:51:29 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#166821: Jan 15th 2017 at 6:43:23 AM

According to the National Enquirer, which is my Bible, Trump and Putin are meeting to make a plan to eliminate China and North Korea. Must be true!

Also, on the subject of SNL, is Alec Baldwin an official cast member by now? If not, he might as well be; we've been getting a Trump skit pretty much every episode this season. Not that I mind.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#166822: Jan 15th 2017 at 6:45:15 AM

If nothing else, Trump will provide the satire shows with material they haven't had since Dubya was in office.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#166823: Jan 15th 2017 at 6:45:38 AM

"...Eliminate China?"

Christ, I hope that isn't true. But National Enquirer aside, it does seem inevitable at this point that we're being deliberately steered towards conflict with China. The only question that remains is what kind of conflict that will be, and whether it will be merely damaging or downright catastrophic.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#166824: Jan 15th 2017 at 6:51:54 AM

[up] If Trump "eliminates China" he'll have to pick new countries to get cheap building materials and sweatshop labor. Or reduce American wages and labor safety standards and rights.

edited 15th Jan '17 6:52:24 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#166825: Jan 15th 2017 at 7:03:18 AM

Everyday it becomes harder and harder for me to sympathize with the economic anxiety argument.

Fucking hell.

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