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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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I think the idea behind the discussion I was seeing was that, once newly arrived Cuban-American immigrants are suddenly vulnerable to Trump's thuggish deportation policies, the Dems will be able to go "see, it's all their fault, come vote for us now!" But I agree that that strategic theory seems a little thin based only what we've seen. And it could very easily have the opposite effect.
Also, an article on the serious danger posed to our national security by GPS hacking.
Basically, our GPS systems are pathetically vulnerable and have been for some time, and an attack that compromised them could cripple the nation. Yet it still isn't a prominent issue, never even coming up once at the confirmation hearings.
A more logical strategic theory would be that as the fresh off the boat Cubans are normally very Republican this is an attempt to stop the growth of a pro-Republican demographic. The older Cubans will eventually die and the younger ones lean more Democratic (simply due to being youth), with no middle aged Cubans coming over from Cuba the demographic edge that the Republicans get in Florida from Cubans will eventually disappear.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranI guess it would stem the tide considerably.
The head of the OGE criticized Trump. Now Congressional Republicans are threatening to subpoena him.
So it would seem that if you try to apply ethics to Trump, the GOP is coming after you. Shouldn't be a surprise at this point, but still...
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."It's stopping them being granted residency just for being Cuban, which means that thouse taking boats would be illegal immigrants hopping the border and thus likely deported back to Cuba the moment they land.
It doesn't kill all Cuban immigration, but it does kill the immigration into Florida via boating north from Cuba, which I suspect makes up the majority if not all Cuban immigration.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranSo apparently in this vote to start the repeal process on the ACA late last night, the Democrats all stood up and then stated the reason why they were voting no, and had to be like, shouted down every time. Apparently a vote is not the time for a debate, was the reason repeatedly stated. Kind of amazing, for lots of reasons. They also singled out Ron Paul as the lone Republican who voted no, which seems in context to be singling him out as a potential target to me. There's a bunch of rallies they're trying to organize this weekend for supporting the ACA. (I'm watching Maddow's show right now.) Everyone but the lady who had to go get a pacemaker put in did that.
Well, at least it appears that the Democrats are getting their feet under them, somewhat.
So...I'm starting to be convinced that some Far Left outlets like TYT, and Secular Talk are being funded by the Russians through Third Parties.
This lame defense of Trump's allegations and continued distractions of trying to destroy the Democrats is suspect as fuck.
I am this close to head-desking at the increasingly evident enormity of the vulnerabilities in US cybersecurity. WTF were the intelligence agencies' cybersec divisions doing over the past two decades? Did they seriously underestimate the threat of foreign hacking so much that they couldn't fathom the possibility of national utilities and news broadcasts being easy prey for, say, Russian and Chinese state-sponsored crackers?
edited 12th Jan '17 6:57:33 PM by MarqFJA
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I'd just say that it stems more from their long-running distrust of US intelligence agencies. Much in the same vein as Glenn Greenwald, who while criticizing the handling of the issue and the lack of concrete evidence - even before the current leak - still concluded that the likely perpetrator was Russia.
edited 12th Jan '17 7:02:21 PM by Eschaton
TYT are also named after genocide perpetrators and lead by a genocide denier, so it's entirely possible that they simple like the idea of an authoritarian strongman like Trump and Putin.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran![]()
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Have you watched anything by them?
And the genocide denial has been retracted.
Took too long, but there you go.
You guys can keep shitting on Jimmy Dore though, even I - and some of his associates
- think he's a nut.
edited 12th Jan '17 7:36:17 PM by Eschaton
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My view of people like Greenwald and Stein and Jacobin and all the other members of the American far-left is: it's not that they're grabbing votes, it's that they're poisoning the well. They stand up and shout about how it's all corrupt and both parties are the same and on and on. And people listen, which leads to low voter turnout.
Noam Chomsky, on the other hand, basically said: "if you want to move this country to the left, vote for Clinton. She's far from my ideal candidate, but it's better than the alternative." We have the people who want to change America for the better and we have the noisemakers and crybabies who would rather burn the loaf than settle for forty or sixty or eighty per cent of a loaf.
edited 12th Jan '17 7:43:00 PM by JBC31187
I've watched a little, not much though. As for the retraction, it's pretty pathetic, "I'm not a historian so I won't comment" is the same tactic that is often used by Holocaust deniers.
Plus none of that chages the fact that the network is still named after a group of genocidal nutjobs. It would be like having a network by Germans named "The SS" or a Southern network named "The Confederates".
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranInsofar as people like Sanders are considered far left (which is more a testament to how far to the right we've moved since the 80s in terms of economic policy), something in that neighborhood is basically the only hope for beating Trumpism. Conventional centrist parties have been wholly unable to deal with the wave of right wing populism, and the major electoral defeats for the far right have been by unconventional left wing candidates, ie in Austria and in terms of things happening within a country in Scotland and Northern Ireland in regards to Brexit.
edited 12th Jan '17 7:51:53 PM by CaptainCapsase
Sanders isn't far-left, Stein and TYT are. The far-left are by and large the folks who refused to vote for Clinton despite her progressive platform. I imagine that there are also some remanents of the old far-left in the US, the guy who don't vote at all due to seeing Democracy as a Captialist conspiracy.
Also I don't know what you're talking about with Austria, sure the left wing candidate won but it was still the mainstream left wing candidate, the Austrian Greens are a centre-left party, not far-left.
Northern Ireland likewise had nothing to do with left-right and everything to do with national identity and a desire to avoid terrorism.
Scotland gets to make a claim for credible left-wing policies drawing people in, but that's it.
edited 12th Jan '17 7:57:17 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranI can somewhat excuse the name. Turk has had a negative metaphorical connotation in English for a while (like I think at least since the 1800s if not earlier) and that probably contributes to how Young Turk has a "rabble rouser" meaning, besides the fact that an actual political party called themselves that. And if you are young and Turkish, it seems like a clever pun.
But it's not a good look to call yourself a Young Turk and be an Armenian Genocide denier.
I think the closest good comparison I can think of is Trump's embrace of "America First" which due to its origins
has the implication of being a Nazi sympathizer. I tend to think this was probably deliberate since he kept using the slogan even after lots of people pointed out the implications.
The other comparison that I thought was identification with William of Orange/ the Orange Order
in an Irish context.
Um...
fuck.
New Survey coming this weekend!I hereby declare that the only person allowed to use the phrase "Young Turks" is Rod Stewart. And that's grandfathered in only because the song is good.
Not a fan of TYT myself, but it's worth noting that they're pretty up front about calling Putin and Trump bad people. And Cenk did post a video prior to the election where he said he was going to vote for HRC and explained why.
Still, that name has got to go.
edited 12th Jan '17 8:00:07 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised
