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Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#166301: Jan 12th 2017 at 12:10:12 AM

[up][up] Not to mention the country was founded on the massacre of Natives who were already living there by white former British colonials.

edited 12th Jan '17 12:11:00 AM by Bat178

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#166303: Jan 12th 2017 at 12:11:26 AM

[up][up]How many US citizens know that, though?

edited 12th Jan '17 12:11:37 AM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#166304: Jan 12th 2017 at 12:21:52 AM

It's not exactly a secret. Anyone with an even cursory knowledge of American History knows it.

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#166305: Jan 12th 2017 at 12:25:48 AM

It's just that a good chunk of them wonder why people still get so upset about it. "What's done is done, right? It's not my fault. Besides, Indians have casinos now, so it worked out fine!"

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#166306: Jan 12th 2017 at 12:28:00 AM

[up][up] Allow me to rephrase: How many US citizens know the true extent of the atrocities that were committed upon the Native American peoples? There's a difference between knowing what really happened, and knowing only a largely whitewashed theme-park version of it that casts the colonists in a much less unfavorable light.

edited 12th Jan '17 12:29:21 AM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#166307: Jan 12th 2017 at 12:32:04 AM

Not enough.

Do not obey in advance.
GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#166308: Jan 12th 2017 at 1:17:06 AM

Most Americans don't know when the War Of 1812 started. (Hint: It's the War of 1812)

edited 12th Jan '17 1:18:09 AM by GameGuruGG

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#166309: Jan 12th 2017 at 2:16:58 AM

The former MI6 officer who created the dossier has gone to ground after CNN and subsequently the WSJ outed his identity, fearing Russian retribution. I'd be fearing an American one as well...

However, they said the Bureau shifted into low gear in the weeks before the election to avoid interfering in the vote.

It's been said before, but fuck you Comey.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#166310: Jan 12th 2017 at 2:48:02 AM

[up][up] ... Maybe they think the question is about what day and month in the year 1812 the war started? Or perhaps some of them wonder if the war may have actually started in late 1811, but it was so late in said year that it was rolled into 1812 for convenience?

On an unrelated note, I'm interested in the source for your avvie.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#166311: Jan 12th 2017 at 4:03:31 AM

Beijing Should Be Given ‘No Access’ To Islands In Disputed Region, Rex Tillerson Says

According to Tillerson, Beijing’s activity in the South China Sea was “extremely worrisome” and would be a threat to the “entire global economy” if it would dictate access to the waterway. He also said that inadequate response from the U.S. has led the situation to escalate.

Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#166312: Jan 12th 2017 at 5:41:35 AM

[up] ...Anyone else get a twitch in their eye when Tillerson compared what China is doing to what Russia did to Crimea as an argument for taking a harder stance against China?

His hostility towards China explains why he supports TPP, I suppose.

edited 12th Jan '17 5:42:30 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#166313: Jan 12th 2017 at 6:38:04 AM

[up][up] Prepare your anuses for Korean War part 2: Atomic Boogaloo.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#166314: Jan 12th 2017 at 6:39:08 AM

Please keep it between you Pacific rimless.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#166315: Jan 12th 2017 at 6:44:53 AM

The live stream for senate confirmation hearing of Mad Dog Mattis.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#166316: Jan 12th 2017 at 7:04:33 AM

Wow, McCain really loves Mattis. I think he's going to be voting to confirm Tillerson in spite of his open opposition to him due to some backroom dealings.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#166317: Jan 12th 2017 at 7:06:55 AM

[up][up]Did you know that he actually said "Be polite. Be professional. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet."

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#166318: Jan 12th 2017 at 7:13:40 AM

[up]This is totally sane.

Honestly, though, enough Americans are insecure, bloodthirsty vulgarians that they'd view that sort of mindset as model and laudable. Like, half of everything Mad Dog says screams "war criminal," and the rest is empty machismo.

edited 12th Jan '17 7:14:56 AM by CrimsonZephyr

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#166319: Jan 12th 2017 at 7:14:53 AM

[up] It's perfectly consistent with Trump's Flanderized image of his apparent role model Richard Nixon.

edited 12th Jan '17 7:15:07 AM by CaptainCapsase

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#166320: Jan 12th 2017 at 7:15:11 AM

Cripes. Christopher Steele (Awesome McCoolname best name ever), the MI 6 operative who supposedly leaked the Trump/Russia memos, is now in hiding, and fears for his life. And he's also apparently a very highly-regarded operative.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#166321: Jan 12th 2017 at 7:16:31 AM

I think Trump's real idol is Kissinger, who maintains some level of respect in the political community despite being a Karma Houdini war criminal richly deserving of a trial at the Hague.

Then again, most of what was horrible about the Nixon administration started with old Hank.

edited 12th Jan '17 7:19:36 AM by CrimsonZephyr

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#166322: Jan 12th 2017 at 7:19:27 AM

[up] Kissinger is a ruthless, unrepentant war criminal, but he's also one of the finest strategic minds of the mid 20th century (he's supposedly a major influence on Putin btw), and I grudgingly acknowledge his contributions to the academic field of International Relations. Trump combines the ruthlessness of Kissinger and Nixon with the delusional idealism of the Bush administration and an almost unprecedented incompetence at anything outside of his sphere of expertise. (running con jobs)

edited 12th Jan '17 7:20:31 AM by CaptainCapsase

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#166323: Jan 12th 2017 at 7:21:10 AM

[up][up][up]Unfortunately, that's what happens when semper occultus gets trampled on. :/

Hmmmm: maybe the unofficial motto of whistle-blowers should be semper periculum. -_-

edited 12th Jan '17 7:21:56 AM by Euodiachloris

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#166324: Jan 12th 2017 at 7:26:02 AM

[up][up][up]

Maybe. Running the world as a stable system is a part of Kissinger school realist approach.

edited 12th Jan '17 7:27:05 AM by TerminusEst

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#166325: Jan 12th 2017 at 7:27:10 AM

See, my impression was that Kissinger aside from being a war criminal was also a fool with no ability to gauge long-term consequences and an utter inability to consider that even superpowers are not invulnerable.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

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