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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I'd bet money that the Russians have a sex tape of Trump and his daughter.
It's Realist to ally with Russia as an equal, being a Russia's puppet is not Realism. Kissinger is a fool who thinks he can control Trump and get a non-puppeted foreign policy out of him.
edited 11th Jan '17 1:16:37 PM by IFwanderer
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV![]()
That rather depends on Trump and the extent to which he is actually compromised. Kissinger is apparently able to get him on the phone at any hour of the day and has spent an unusual amount of time giving advice for a 93 year old man, which further cements the notion that Trump is a massive Nixon fanboy.
edited 11th Jan '17 1:16:34 PM by CaptainCapsase
Interesting article about this whole thing from a former NSA officer:
http://observer.com/2017/01/donald-trump-press-conference-prague-michael-cohen/
{WashingtonPost} Clinton warrior David Brock offers an apology — and his allegiance — to Bernie Sanders
, that title sounds kinda like pulp-medieval fantasy. Funny thing, he made a little PAC called "Correct The Record".
EDIT: Mad Skillz? Observer is owned by Trump's son in law.
EDIT 2: Also, since I used the term "Bernie Or Buster" in the red CTR link, I'll remind you, as always, that whenever I use the term, I am talking specifically about the subset of Sanders supporters that voted something other than Clinton in the general (not in the primaries) and have now decided that they should pontify to everyone in earshot that Bernie should've been made candidate because le WWC. Anyone else who supported or still supports Bernie is not included in the statement.
edited 11th Jan '17 1:30:47 PM by IFwanderer
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KVAlthough I agree with treating the claims with some skepticism, I'm also skeptical of the idea that Russia is playing some kind of brilliant I Know You Know I Know because as I understand it, that information wasn't leaked directly by Russia or its channels (i.e. Wikileaks). It came from U.S. and British intelligence sources who were citing Russian agents.
And more importantly, media outlets knew of this for a while and essentially was reported on by Buzzfeed (forcing mainstream networks to cover it) as a way of harming Trump. Which seems to have worked, given Trump's enraged responses.
So, it seems doubtful to me that this was a fake story created by Russia because they had no way of knowing when or if that information would leak (since they weren't the ones who leaked it), and the way Trump is responding implies that if it is a False Flag Operation, it's not one that he's in on.
To be fair, I'm fairly sure he meant it along the lines of "If Putin likes me, that means I can use HIM without him realizing it!" However, Trump has not proven himself to be that canny - Putin, however, has, with his response to the ejection of Russian diplomats being "We'll take the high road here and not respond in kind". That was incredibly savvy, and makes out like Russia isn't as bad as people think, since he knows it was only a matter of weeks before a Useful Idiot gets into the White House.
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"Gizmodo analyzes 4chan's claim that they made up a fake story and the media ran with it.
edited 11th Jan '17 1:53:28 PM by speedyboris
So apparently WSJ has released the agent's name.
Also the new twist is that Jeb Bush is the one that originally hired him.
Jeb and Mc Cain are heroes if this ends up taking down Trump.
Probably a payback from the Bush family and Mc Cain for all the shit flinging Trump did to them.
Inter arma enim silent legesI don't think the BBC has claimed to have video/audio of it, they've seen the report from the guy claiming to have learned of it
. Larry Flynt, however, has offered a million-dollar bounty if an FSB agent gets that recording to him.
The BBC decided not to use it then, for the very good reason that without seeing the tape - if it exists - we could not know if the claims were true. The detail of the allegations were certainly lurid. The entire series of reports has now been posted by Buzz Feed.
edited 11th Jan '17 2:32:53 PM by ironballs16
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"-Trump is about to be inaugurated in as president and then the CIA and DC police crash the party and arrest Trump and Pence. -
-they're both led out in handcuffs and then Jeb steps out of the FBI car having just been voted in as president by a special session of Congress-
Trump: YOU?!?!?
Jeb: You know what I like about turtles. They always start slow and seem like they're about to lose but they win in the end. You were the arrogant, lazy, no good rabbit. But me, I was the turtle. Hard-working and determined. You lose, Mr. Trump. Please clap!
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Trump: -melts into a puddle of incoherency-
Jeb: And don't you ever talk about my mother that way again. Get this traitor out of my sight, boys!
edited 11th Jan '17 2:33:09 PM by MadSkillz
If Trump is taken out before he's inaugurated then I think it's actually Biden who becomes president.
But anyways if they can prove everything here then I think Pence does down too.
Pence was picked by a Manafort, a Russian stooge, and the report says there were various people in his campaign team who knew. Pence isn't trustworthy enough at that point.
So Trump's whole cabinet goes down and Paul Ryan becomes president.
The idea of Paul Ryan falling into the presidency is amusing. Horrific but amusing and better than what we have now.

So no one cares about the payoffs, you know the allegation of actual collusion.
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.