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iflewaway someone from somewhere Since: Dec, 2016
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#166176: Jan 11th 2017 at 9:12:34 AM

For comparison, here's Obama's first press conference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxGPPK3e4bc

edited 11th Jan '17 9:13:45 AM by iflewaway

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#166177: Jan 11th 2017 at 9:14:36 AM

Trump calling CNN, Buzzfeed, and BBC garbage

Well, okay he's right about one of them.

But NOW can the media go open season on this clown?

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#166178: Jan 11th 2017 at 9:15:03 AM

So when he gets a leak on his favor no big deal something leaks against him it is criminal.

Hypocrisy 101: Trump

Inter arma enim silent leges
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#166179: Jan 11th 2017 at 9:36:47 AM

This is a beautiful disaster. American democracy burns hilariously.

edited 11th Jan '17 9:37:04 AM by CrimsonZephyr

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#166180: Jan 11th 2017 at 10:11:03 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/11/politics/cnn-statement-trump-buzzfeed/index.html?sr=fbCNN011117cnn-statement-trump-buzzfeed0605PMStoryLink&linkId=33282660

CNN's decision to publish carefully sourced reporting about the operations of our government is vastly different than Buzzfeed's decision to publish unsubstantiated memos. The Trump team knows this. They are using Buzzfeed's decision to deflect from CNN's reporting, which has been matched by the other major news organizations.

We are fully confident in our reporting. It represents the core of what the First Amendment protects, informing the people of the inner workings of their government; in this case, briefing materials prepared for President Obama and President-elect Trump last week.

We made it clear that we were not publishing any of the details of the 35-page document because we have not corroborated the report's allegations. Given that members of the Trump transition team have so vocally criticized our reporting, we encourage them to identify, specifically, what they believe to be inaccurate.

edited 11th Jan '17 10:11:45 AM by tclittle

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#166182: Jan 11th 2017 at 10:23:54 AM

[up] Expect a lot more bluff calls during the next 2-8 years.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#166183: Jan 11th 2017 at 10:30:18 AM

I just finished reading the entire 35 page document at Buzzfeed. You can find it here. The most serious allegations are found in the memo labelled "Report 2016/166" (page 34 of the Buzzfeed document), namely that Trump's close associate Michael Cohen met with members of the Russian govern't in Prague for the purpose of paying East European hackers to work against the Clinton campaign. Probably the second most serious allegation is that people close to Trump have been exchanging information with the FSB in Moscow going back 8 years. Trump's associates allegedly provided Russia with information on the financial dealings of certain Russian oligarchs in the US. Finally, there is the allegation that the Russians have (undisclosed) compromising material on Trump, including "perverted sexual acts" (the water sports incident was part of this, but not all of it).

It's not clear to me that any of this violates US law, but it's pretty serious. If true, it pretty clearly compromises Trump and his colleagues and makes it clear that he is not able to fulfill the responsibilities of being President. The paying of the money is the only thing that might be impeachable, but I'm not a lawyer.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#166184: Jan 11th 2017 at 10:43:07 AM

What is and isn't impeachable is intentionally vague. It effectively comes down to 'can it be proven, and justified to the public as bad enough to warrant impeachment?'

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#166185: Jan 11th 2017 at 11:14:13 AM

And: Does the party in control of Congress view the acts as more important than loyalty to their group identity?

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#166186: Jan 11th 2017 at 11:20:39 AM

McCain confirms the leaked document is the one he gave to the FBI.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#166187: Jan 11th 2017 at 11:39:41 AM

@Wanderer: Jesus, so that leaked document with the golden showers is actually the real deal?

It's been fun.
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#166188: Jan 11th 2017 at 11:47:48 AM

[up]It is real in the sense that it is an official document, it has not been confirmed how much of the content is true. But the BBC is saying they have video of some of the things in the document, so the showers are probably true.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#166189: Jan 11th 2017 at 12:00:05 PM

According to NBC, the dossier came from opposition research during the campaigns from anti-Trump Republicans (such as McCain); not from intelligence agencies, hence the relatively numerous spelling errors and such pointed out therein.

The actual Intelligence report on Trump's connections to Russia hasn't been shown to the public, and the Trump team is most likely exploiting the confusion between the two to deflect from the genuinely damaging allegations that might contain.

edited 11th Jan '17 12:01:37 PM by CaptainCapsase

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#166190: Jan 11th 2017 at 12:01:17 PM

And of course said Republicans didn't have the integrity to release this crap to stop Trump in the primary....

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#166191: Jan 11th 2017 at 12:02:10 PM

Did they have it back then?

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#166192: Jan 11th 2017 at 12:03:57 PM

[up], [up][up] the democrats had it during the general election campaign, and the RNC had it during the primaries; it was shopped around to them, they didn't use it though, which leads me to believe they weren't able to back up the claims well enough to take the risk of it backfiring.

It appears to me to be yet another example of an outrageous story distracting people from very real and very seedy dealings by Trump and conthat are kept low key. If I had to guess it's the cabinet hearings; Tillerson likely has it in the bag, though honestly he's one of the least offensive picks.

edited 11th Jan '17 12:11:26 PM by CaptainCapsase

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#166193: Jan 11th 2017 at 12:12:21 PM

[up] Yeah, but based on EMAILS, they probably should've just released it anyways. If it's BS, well, the fascist is not in the White House so apocalypse averted.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#166194: Jan 11th 2017 at 12:15:19 PM

I'm trying to hedge my bets with this document. It's definitely seems more credible then "random internet rumor" but I'm definitely going to wait until we have some hard evidence (and if the BBC does indeed have the videos and releases them, that would likely qualify) backing it up before I'm going to start operating from the base assumption that it's accurate.

If it is though....

Well, the notion of "golden showers" being the proverbial straw that breaks the camel's back and destroys a Presidency before it even officially starts is fundamentally ludicrous....which would continue the precedent established by real life over the past year or so. Even if this isn't what does it, given the overall implausibility of recent events I fully expect Trump's downfall to come at the hands of some completely random thing that isn't even close to his worse scandal and just happens to tick off the right people at the right time.

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#166195: Jan 11th 2017 at 12:33:44 PM

I don't think it will amount to anything. But it makes the whole election even more absurd, and Trump look, if possible, even more like a waste of perfectly fine human sperm.

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#166196: Jan 11th 2017 at 12:44:47 PM

[up]Well, obviously, it wasn't perfectly fine human sperm, otherwise we wouldn't have ended up with Trump.

Maybe it was Orangutang instead?

edited 11th Jan '17 12:45:11 PM by Kayeka

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#166197: Jan 11th 2017 at 12:44:52 PM

Trump's law firm just won the Russia Law Firm of the Year Award.

And apparently Trump said this during the press conference:

"If Putin likes Donald Trump, that's called an asset..." -Trump, Jan 11 2017

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#166198: Jan 11th 2017 at 12:48:51 PM

Here's an article with some more highlights from the conference, including this:

“The only ones that care about my tax returns are the reporters,” he said. “I mean, I won! I became president!”

(A recent Pew poll found that 60 percent of Americans would like Trump to make the documents public.)

The U.S. is completely fucked.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#166199: Jan 11th 2017 at 12:50:22 PM

Paraphrasing using someone else's words but apparently something like this happened today:

Rubio: "Putin assassinated 200+ members of the press, and has killed at least 30,000 civilians."

Tillerson: "These things happen."

There is much worse. This guys is an obvious Russian stooge.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/these-things-happen-rex-tillerson-refuses-to-blame-putin-for-murders-of-political-opponents/

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#166200: Jan 11th 2017 at 12:54:04 PM

"Well, obviously, it wasn't perfectly fine human sperm, otherwise we wouldn't have ended up with Trump.

Maybe it was Orangutang instead?"

Come on, this is exactly what some on the right do to Obama and Michelle, calling them apes and such. I think we can hold ourselves to a higher standard? Let's criticize what the guy actually says and does (of which there is PLENTY), and refrain from childish name-calling.

edited 11th Jan '17 1:15:25 PM by speedyboris


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