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JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#166076: Jan 10th 2017 at 6:43:43 PM

So: this leak doesn't really change anything. We still know Trump is a puppet, and the Republicans looked the other way while Putin screwed with our government. But, it makes Trump look even more stupid, and it pisses him off to be laughed at. Take what you can get, I guess.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#166077: Jan 10th 2017 at 6:47:46 PM

The problem is even if people take it seriously at this point we can't reverse the decision of the election. There's no precedent for it, and there's nothing that we could do that wouldn't damage our concept of democracy much worse than this situation.

StarOutlaw Since: Nov, 2010
#166078: Jan 10th 2017 at 6:52:03 PM

Would being an obvious Russian puppet not justify at least an impeachment?

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#166079: Jan 10th 2017 at 6:52:48 PM

Only if the GOP-controlled House turns on him. And remember - the GOP love Putin and Russia these days.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#166080: Jan 10th 2017 at 6:56:01 PM

Trusting the GOP to have your back is like trusting Trump to have your back; it's only until they decide to stick the knife in. I'm hoping that they decide to impeach Trump and replace him with Pence; Pence is a religious bigot, but he seems more stable.

iflewaway someone from somewhere Since: Dec, 2016
someone
#166081: Jan 10th 2017 at 7:01:54 PM

All Obama's speech did was remind me how much of a clusterfuck Trump is going to be. I can't even imagine him giving a speech where he doesn't insult anyone or commit some horrific gaffe. This may not be a fair comparison, but Obama gave a farewell address urging unity and positivity, while Trump is trying to convince people he isn't a Russian pawn who pisses on hookers.

edited 10th Jan '17 7:18:22 PM by iflewaway

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CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#166082: Jan 10th 2017 at 7:17:05 PM

Should I expect a hopeful tone, a complete sidetrack, or a eulogy speech?

*For the farewell address. Didn't know this would be a page-topper.

edited 10th Jan '17 7:18:10 PM by CenturyEye

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#166084: Jan 10th 2017 at 7:26:36 PM

A hopeful tone - and a call to arms. He's asking every last one of us to stand up for democracy, equality, and justice. "Change only happens when the people demand it."

"Democracy can buckle when it gives in to fear."

"The Constitution is just a piece of parchment...we the people give it power."

Basically, Obama's final address is a deliberate rallying call for La Résistance. And I'm more than happy with that.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#166085: Jan 10th 2017 at 7:27:27 PM

CNN is reporting they confirmed Trump was presented with this info

Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#166086: Jan 10th 2017 at 7:33:25 PM

Trolls from the Image Board That Should Not Be Named are taking credit for it on Twitter. Apparently they think they're trolling the media.

But Donald is quite angry, so I'm not sure what they think they're proving, if this is indeed a hoax.

That's right, boys. Mondo cool.
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#166087: Jan 10th 2017 at 7:34:57 PM

[up][up] A lot of Trumpeteers and Alt-Righters don't trust CNN. It's going to take Fox News to get them to even consider it plausible, and not just "Fake News".

Even then, they'd probably just claim that Fox News got blindsided by "Fake News"...

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#166088: Jan 10th 2017 at 8:01:44 PM

[up]If it is not from Daily Stormer, Breibart and Alex Jones then it isn't real news, just (((news))).

Also, they are really claiming it was bullshit they fed for a Buzz feed writer.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#166089: Jan 10th 2017 at 8:05:21 PM

[up]Well, it's all bullshit when you get down to it. The only difference is that some of that bullshit actually happened.tongue

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#166092: Jan 10th 2017 at 8:26:43 PM

We could. Or an asteroid could hit that makes the dinosaur killer look like a pebble. Though none such is known to be on-course for us.

More likely we'll pull out of that spiral by the skin of our teeth. It seems to be a human habit. Barely surviving the worst and then bouncing back for a while before the next crisis point.

I think some folks I talked to earlier tonight summed it up best: "300,000,000 people in this country and it came down to those two?" Yup. Crisis point. We'll bounce back. People will. Maybe not the U.S. Too soon to tell one way or another. Just fight the good fight and remember: America's always been built by war. We don't function without it. Period. End of Story. So maybe a nice little culture war where it's the majority of us vs. Trump and his minority followers will actually be the boost we need to kick these stupid neocons out of power once and for all and replace them with REAL conservatives.

He could be far better for us than Clinton in the long run, actually. He can give us a common enemy to bond over and become a closer nation than we've ever been.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#166093: Jan 10th 2017 at 8:39:42 PM

[up]And not to mention, even if Clinton did win, we could have easily gotten someone even worse than Trump in the next four years.

edited 10th Jan '17 8:39:55 PM by kkhohoho

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#166094: Jan 10th 2017 at 8:55:48 PM

God, that does not bear thinking.

It's like this . . .

If the Alamo had been empty and no one had been lost in it, the Texans wouldn't have had a spirit lifting rally cry to go on to win their war for Independence (They may have won anyway, I don't know that particular part of history well enough to say). But there was a small group of people in the Alamo who fought their hardest and went down swinging, and that story gave the others a push.

Clinton winning would have been an empty Alamo. A mediocre presidency that barely, if at all, actually addresses the problems creating our divides. Hell, her stances on guns and energy sources alone would have heightened the strength of her enemies when the NRA really COULD say "the government is trying to take away our (semi-automatic and fully automatic) guns." She may have been the sensible choice, but sometimes being sensible is the wrong thing to do.

They say some people want to watch the world burn down. I say it takes a forest fire to clear the detritus clogging the forest floor, and to make some of the strongest trees grow. Keep your eyes open and be prepared to light some backdrafts of your own to keep the fire from getting out of hand and destroying the country and/or world, and let this one burn the trash in the political system so we can see who's really strong enough to stand it.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#166095: Jan 10th 2017 at 9:03:48 PM

You know, in the abstract sense, props to Russia at this point. They were able to elect a celebrity idiot that they have blackmail on to the highest office in the most powerful country in the world. If it weren't so terrifying, I'd be quite impressed

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FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#166096: Jan 10th 2017 at 9:06:17 PM

[up][up] & [up][up][up]

The big issue here is that that logic runs both ways, and many Trump supporters actually look forward to future conflicts - both foreign and domestic - as effective means to weed out or cleanse the nation of weaknesses which otherwise would be "protected" by democratic bureaucracy.

edited 10th Jan '17 9:06:32 PM by FluffyMcChicken

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#166097: Jan 10th 2017 at 9:06:28 PM

[up][up]Putin did what no other soviet union dictator could: having a lasting harm on the EEUU.

is...impresive.

Also, I will said to those who said Trump is unsikable that isnt: is run was made by outsider status,hate of establishment and the idea is strongmen appeal could make a miracle, this hurt him.

I mean, you can tolerate corruption, you can tolerate a friendly russia, but this stupidity? this hurt, it dosent matter what Trump will do, THIS is what he will remenber.

edited 10th Jan '17 9:08:51 PM by unknowing

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Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#166098: Jan 10th 2017 at 9:14:40 PM

[up][up]There's no easy counterpoint to that. The way we've been going for a while now, this needed to happen eventually. In the end, we really do just need to buckle down and fight them to a standstill.

Russia wants all possible nations to go conservative or worse for some big reasons:

1. They'd side with Putin for a while and be useful to him.

2. They'd allow Global Warming to happen. Russia stands to be one of the world's top powers after a global warm up for a lot of reasons. They have a big fucking ice field in their country and next to their northern coast that blocks development. As long as they can use civil engineering to steer the flood zones, and pack their extra population inside their old Cold War bomb shelters for a while, they can bounce back as one of the pre-eminent Empires of the post-GW world.

So anyone who wants to help mitigate Global Warming is probably going to be fighting Russians the entire way.

ETA: http://www.geocurrents.info/place/russia-ukraine-and-caucasus/siberia/global-warming-and-siberia-blessing-or-curse

edited 10th Jan '17 9:18:04 PM by Journeyman

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#166099: Jan 10th 2017 at 9:32:19 PM

[up] So Russia are basically Ragnarök-Proofing themselves.

edited 10th Jan '17 9:33:20 PM by Bat178

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#166100: Jan 10th 2017 at 10:10:59 PM

[up] They're playing a dangerous game, then. All of that permafrost might be a real life version of Sealed Evil in a Can — assuming you consider deadly pathogens to be "Evil".

Disgusted, but not surprised

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