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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#165901: Jan 9th 2017 at 9:31:36 PM

The funny thing about that conservative mindset? All of that goes out the window the moment they are in trouble. Their failures are always due to someone else. They don't own up to their own mistakes.

That's what really annoys me about many conservatives. The sheer blatant hypocrisy born from self-righteousness.

Reminds me a lot of the people who decry abortion but go on to have abortions of their own. Sometimes at the very same clinics where they hold protests.

edited 9th Jan '17 11:09:16 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#165902: Jan 9th 2017 at 9:55:27 PM

Conservatives throw out their principles damn quick when it comes to A) Screwing Minorities over or B) When trying to screw minorities over it affects them.

New Survey coming this weekend!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#165903: Jan 9th 2017 at 10:17:24 PM

[up] They also screw over poor people too. Granted, there's a bit of overlap there.

Disgusted, but not surprised
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#165904: Jan 9th 2017 at 10:17:52 PM

[up][up][up]you se, that is the other republican value here: they value freedom is their expresion of it, no in how afect that choice, this do not extended to democrat who for them self censure when is convinent and try to other do it too.

this is where they derenged come: they only said truth thing and that things are good because they are truth.

Or let me put it this way "Im going to tell you what to do now so YOU cant tell me shit, you are oppressing me by stoping me for oppressing you"

So in my experience here in my country tell me something, is that you should prepared, since the party is going to outright defies reallity over and over.

edited 9th Jan '17 10:18:16 PM by unknowing

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#165905: Jan 9th 2017 at 10:19:20 PM

[up][up][up]Well, most of the of the ones that matter anyway. Principled conservatives exist but the GOP is pretty lacking in them atm and they seem to be mostly composed of amoral sellouts and reactionaries.

edited 9th Jan '17 10:24:17 PM by Draghinazzo

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#165906: Jan 9th 2017 at 10:25:20 PM

[up]it happen in the 90 and the turn of the milenial, when the republican started to prefer loyalty to the party over...well, everything else really, that is what it go this stonewalling congress and that is why they never opose Trump that much: he got the party so they obey.

they pretty much become a cult, so they cant shake that awfull loyalty to the party, even if that mean being a Trump bully target.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#165907: Jan 9th 2017 at 10:28:57 PM

Put simply, conservatism is death.

EDIT: Page topper, I love it!

edited 9th Jan '17 10:29:15 PM by CrimsonZephyr

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#165908: Jan 9th 2017 at 11:08:25 PM

[up] Well, the current Republican version of it anyway. I hesitate to even call it conservatism — they seem to be actively regressive.

edited 9th Jan '17 11:08:43 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#165909: Jan 9th 2017 at 11:10:47 PM

What's wrong with calling it ultraconservatism?

On a related note, can someone please briefly summarize the differences between conservatism, neoconservatism, paleoconservatism, and archconservatism in US politics?

edited 9th Jan '17 11:13:51 PM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Superdark33 The dark Mage of the playground from Playgrounds and Adventures Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
The dark Mage of the playground
#165910: Jan 10th 2017 at 12:43:42 AM

The catholic church is conservative, the GOP is downright reactionary if not utterly fascist.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#165911: Jan 10th 2017 at 12:49:38 AM

If you ask me, the GOP have absolutely become a fascist party. And if that's not clear enough now, I fear it will be soon.

Seriously, there are times where I'm afraid the anti-Trump protests are going to end up sparking our own Tiananmen Square. Remember, Trump approves of the way the Chinese government handled Tiananmen Square, praising their show of "strength" - especially when contrasted with the US's "weakness."

And in less than two weeks, he'll have the authority to replicate that show of strength if it pleases him.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#165912: Jan 10th 2017 at 1:04:09 AM

I'm afraid of that possibility as well. But I just can't see the American people taking that lying down. We might get a revolution if they try to pull a Tianamen Square on Main Street.

I wonder what it would be like for the government in the end if it acts so blatantly unconstitutional. We have the authority - nay, the obligation - to shut that shit down so fast.

edited 10th Jan '17 1:07:25 AM by BearyScary

Do not obey in advance.
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#165913: Jan 10th 2017 at 1:16:35 AM

Thing is - Tiananmen Squares happen when the government wants specifically to crush budding revolutions and establish absolute power. I have no doubt that the American people would rise up in utter horror and outrage if it happened here - but once it's happened, the taboo is broken and it can happen again. More protest will be met with more violence. More Tiananmen Squares.

It's not as if there isn't already plenty of present-day precedent for peaceful protests being met with state-sponsored violence. Look at riot cops beating and tear gassing BLM protestors, or corporate thugs siccing dogs on the water protectors at Standing Rock, and maiming them with concussion grenades, and hosing them down with water in sub-freezing temperatures (which is a potentially lethal assault).

That happened under Obama, to protests that will be small fry compared to the kind of protests we're likely to see under Trump. Imagine what the response to those could be.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#165914: Jan 10th 2017 at 1:23:20 AM

Tiananmen also happened due to the internal struggles of the CCP, and was controversial among the Politburo Standing Committee. I doubt the US government is capable of such a highly coordinated maneuver, without an authoritarian state system.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#165915: Jan 10th 2017 at 1:25:32 AM

OK, enough of this. Calling everybody with a certain broad personality type (actually, your oversimplifying several types and branding them all disordered based on highly subjective criteria) irredeemably thick, too simple, etc, etc is way too much.

This so-called "conservative mind-set" that is oh-so inferior to your oh-so elevated and superior own? Is based on the same damn cognitive short cuts you're using to selectively paint a whole mass of people in simplistic colours. Emergent behaviour within groups is many things, but simple it ain't. <_<

Knock it off. I know you feel under stress and need to vent, but doing it this way is only going to cement the divide even more

And, you know what's worse? This is exactly the response a narcissist can use, so they deliberately provoke it. Aim your ire where it should belong: at those who have instigated the bipolar political split you are now in, not those who have fallen victim to it.

And, include yourselves in that bracket, while you're at it. Stop with the dislocating, self-congratulatory back-patting, too. It's not going to help anything except a brief ego boost.

edited 10th Jan '17 1:52:16 AM by Euodiachloris

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#165916: Jan 10th 2017 at 1:32:44 AM

[up][up] We may well be headed for an authoritarian state system, though. As it stands, I don't doubt that there would be massive outrage even from some of the more principled members of the GOP (let alone the Dems). But look at how much the slide towards fascism has already progressed in two months, before Trump's even in power. Imagine what things could look like a year into his presidency.

Basically, I'm saying we can take nothing for granted. I sincerely believe that given the right chain of events, we could see an American version of Tiananmen Square happen. Soon. That's why we can't afford to "give him a chance" (as Trumplings are so fond of bleating), because the possibility of what he might then do with that chance is horrific.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#165917: Jan 10th 2017 at 1:37:27 AM

[up][up][awesome]

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#165919: Jan 10th 2017 at 1:48:40 AM

High time that someone said this.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#165920: Jan 10th 2017 at 1:55:37 AM

It's sometimes hard to remember that not all conservatives in America are hardcore Trump followers.

The main reason the hypocrisy some of them demonstrate worries me is a pragmatic one. It means that no matter how bad things get, they won't blame the GOP or Trump. Which means they'll still vote for them. Which means we'll be stuck with them for eight years.

I just really hope that said hypocrisy is not widespread enough or strong enough to throw the 2018 and 2020 elections to the GOP.

I guess one way or another we're gonna find out just how true IOKIYAR really is. They are the ones running the circus now.

edited 10th Jan '17 1:57:57 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#165921: Jan 10th 2017 at 2:01:04 AM

/pol/ is trying to start a fake Democrat hashtag movement again.

Anyone got tip addresses for Vox or someone similar?

Very tangentially related, but noted pharmaceutical CEO Martin "PR agencies hate him!" Shkreli got suspended from Twitter for harassing a Teen Vogue writer after the latter refused to attend the Trump inauguration with him.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#165922: Jan 10th 2017 at 2:15:23 AM

[up] On that note, I also heard that James O'Keefe of Veritas infamy is trying to pay left wing organizations to disrupt Trump's inauguration in a bid to make liberals look bad.

Disgusted, but not surprised
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#165923: Jan 10th 2017 at 2:36:41 AM

Why would left-wing organizations agree to something like that?

Do not obey in advance.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#165924: Jan 10th 2017 at 2:41:52 AM

[up] I imagine it's because they don't know where the money is actually coming from or why it's really being offered to them. The people offering said money aren't really announcing that they work for O'Keefe or that their real goal is to discredit liberals. Sort of a False Flag Operation.

edited 10th Jan '17 2:43:39 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#165925: Jan 10th 2017 at 4:38:35 AM

That is rich coming from the guys who are obsessed with everything they don't like being paid shills, Democrat or ((())) plants and false flag operations to discredit them.

The #Not White Democrats looks just as shitty and forced like their attempt to push #Draft Our Daughters they tried to push during the election.

edited 10th Jan '17 4:40:34 AM by AngelusNox

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