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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#165526: Jan 6th 2017 at 10:51:55 AM

[up] I feel like to a significant extent the conversation about Russian hacking here and elsewhere in the political sphere is distracting from the very real introspection the party needs to engage in if it wants to bounce back from this loss. As a minority party with a historically weak position at all levels of government, there's nothing the democrats can realistically do to prevent something like this from happening again in the future so, beyond acknowledging the likely reality and correcting Trump when he lies on the topic, would argue that this line of discussion is a dead end politically speaking. Self-pity will not improve the democrats prospects in 2018.

edited 6th Jan '17 10:56:41 AM by CaptainCapsase

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#165527: Jan 6th 2017 at 10:57:49 AM

[up]In all honesty, how much more productive could any further introspection be?

Any suggestions on how to improve voter turnout and mitigate voter suppression winds up being drowned out by incessant ideological purity tests and circular arguments on whether or not identity politics or neoliberalismHEY  actually had a negative effect on the Democrats' prospects.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#165528: Jan 6th 2017 at 11:00:05 AM

[up] Introspection in terms of how the party is run and how positions are distributed is something I think needs to be heavily scrutinized. The fact that the democrats have such a desolate selection of rising prospects who could potentially run for president is something I think everyone can agree is a problem, and there are most certainly structural issues with the party that make that an issue. While I have and would still argue that Sanders would be the better of the two choices in the primary, both were extremely far from ideal in their own way.

edited 6th Jan '17 11:02:40 AM by CaptainCapsase

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A procrastination in of itself
#165529: Jan 6th 2017 at 11:02:29 AM

I think that the party needs to take a look at itself and what it can do better across the board, as I've said before while we should aim for a win I want a big one, not a narrow victory that might be overturned after a few years of Republican fuckery.

The problem right now is that (at least here) the focus is purely on how the bit of the party that you don't like screwed up. All the people who hatred Sanders already say it's all his fault, the folks who hated Clinton already insist that it's all her fault and we go round and round in circles.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#165530: Jan 6th 2017 at 11:04:39 AM

[up] It goes in circles but I would argue there are some very obvious places where we can find common ground, first in regards to the Clinton team's desire to chase red states when she herself was barely more popular than Trump was a fatal strategic blunder, secondly in regards to the party's dismal performance on the state and local level, and thirdly in regards to it's desolate bench for future presidential elections and leadership positions.

Both problems can and should be discussed in terms of how we can resolve them. For the first, it's simple: don't take the rust belt for granted, campaign there like it's competitive because it absolutely can be contested by the GOP, and don't rely on union endorsements to turn out union members, which was one of the critical failure points of the democrat's coalition in the rust belt. Democratic messaging in regards to those areas could also use some work.

edited 6th Jan '17 11:14:08 AM by CaptainCapsase

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use political terms to describe, not insult
#165531: Jan 6th 2017 at 11:20:37 AM

Massachusetts passes legislation that would provide state issued licensing to naturopaths, placing them on equal legal footing with real physicians.

WTF Massachusetts legislature?

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Lost in Space
#165532: Jan 6th 2017 at 11:21:19 AM

BS masquerading as facts is the new normal for America, don't y'know?

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Would that it were so simple.
#165533: Jan 6th 2017 at 11:59:28 AM

I'm ashamed in my state.

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#165534: Jan 6th 2017 at 12:06:27 PM

Yeah, that's disappointing. The most charitable explanation is that it's an attempt to provide some kind of placebo-effect palliative care to all the people who are going to lose insurance, and even that's stupid.

It's been fun.
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Professional Forum Ninja
#165535: Jan 6th 2017 at 12:27:34 PM

There was a shooting at a Fort Lauderdale airport.

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Destroyer of Worlds
#165536: Jan 6th 2017 at 12:28:07 PM

So Trump wants to block immigrants from sending money to their families in Mexico unless Mexico makes a one time payment of 5-10 billion dollars for the Wall

The two-page memo — first obtained by the Washington Post — explains that, if elected president, Trump would threaten to cut off the flow of money into Mexico by changing a rule under the USA Patriot Act anti-terrorism law. He says he would block remittances until Mexico makes “a one-time payment of $5–10 billion” to the U.S. to pay for the wall. “It’s an easy decision for Mexico,” Trump said in the memo. “Make a one-time payment of $5–10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year.”

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#165537: Jan 6th 2017 at 12:29:16 PM

Can he do that?

Oh really when?
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#165538: Jan 6th 2017 at 12:29:29 PM

Remember, if the President does it it's not extortion.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#165539: Jan 6th 2017 at 12:31:59 PM

[up][up][up]Wow. That... I couldn't believe it, but that's a new low for Trump. I mean he was already slime by this point; what's he now, primordial ooze?

edited 6th Jan '17 12:32:47 PM by kkhohoho

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#165540: Jan 6th 2017 at 12:32:50 PM

I mean, this was his plan all along. He suggested this a loooong time ago.

Oh really when?
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#165541: Jan 6th 2017 at 12:33:24 PM

I'd say I don't think so but the Senate and Congress are filled with sociopaths that will pretty much say I'll allow it.

Damn, I guess all those money being sent to fiscal havens will keep being untouched but those poor people sending money outside so their families don't suffer even more is going to get axed.

These are going to be 4 tough years.

edited 6th Jan '17 12:33:40 PM by AngelusNox

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Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#165542: Jan 6th 2017 at 12:34:17 PM

https://twitter.com/VABVOX/status/817232556760375296

Does anybody know anything about this?

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#165543: Jan 6th 2017 at 12:34:51 PM

[up][up][up][up] You know, I tried to warn Latin American tropers that the lack of American sponsored coups and general fuckery in Latin America over the past decade or two was largely a consequence of our attentions being devoted to the middle east, and a future President might very well withdraw from the region (Trump seems to be leaving it to Russia) due to the decreased reliance on imported oil over domestic sources, but they were quite skeptical.

edited 6th Jan '17 12:36:58 PM by CaptainCapsase

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#165544: Jan 6th 2017 at 12:37:52 PM

[up][up]

Mind posting a summary and/or quote? Not everyone can (or wants to) access Twitter.

Also, 5 dead, 9 wounded in the Fort Lauderdale airport shooting, with one man, Esteban Santiago, in custody and another possible shooter based on reports to the FAA. The one in custody is 26, is a US Army veteran, and (thus far) doesn't fit the "normal" profile for someone to do something like this - so suffice to say, I'm glad they were able to take him alive, because there's going to be a lot of questions about why he did it.

edited 6th Jan '17 12:39:05 PM by ironballs16

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#165545: Jan 6th 2017 at 12:39:46 PM

And Tweets offer absolutely no context.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#165546: Jan 6th 2017 at 12:40:55 PM

I saw the tweet posted by a fellow troper on his Facebook and he was asking if it was legit, so I figured I'd bring it here to ask. Basically it's something about Obamacare being repealed.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#165547: Jan 6th 2017 at 12:46:04 PM

[up]It was discussed a page or two back already. Basically, Congress has passed a bill that will give them a fasttrack to repealing the ACA when they get around to it. So while it isn't repealed yet, it's on it's way there.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#165548: Jan 6th 2017 at 12:47:51 PM

Ah jeez.

I have no idea how to process any of this. I'm paranoid of everything getting to the worst that I had to drop this thread for the sake of my sanity.

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#165549: Jan 6th 2017 at 12:55:39 PM

Speaking of which anyone heard from that poster who suffered Trump based anxiety attacks long before Nov 8th. Is he/she still around?

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#165550: Jan 6th 2017 at 1:00:47 PM

Top US Senator (Bob Corker, R-TN) says Trump will not destroy Iran Deal, Will 'Radically Enforce it' instead. He has no evidence, though, that Trump won't break the Deal, and this is just what he and other Senate Republicans think is the best course of action.


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