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IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#165401: Jan 5th 2017 at 1:47:44 PM

[up][up][up]Because if they did stop Trump through that, it's very easy to spin it as "Democrats stole the presidency that Trump won 'legitimately' because they are anti-MURICA and want to take it over".

edited 5th Jan '17 1:47:53 PM by IFwanderer

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#165402: Jan 5th 2017 at 1:49:44 PM

I hate to say it but there's nothing we can do as Democrats to stop Trump from getting into office that won't completely poison the party forever. We'll never win another election again.

Oh really when?
Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#165403: Jan 5th 2017 at 1:50:56 PM

last I saw Trumpgrets was on vacation because staring into the void that is his electorate was extremely destructive on their psyche.

"Coffee! Coffeecoffeecoffee! Coffee! Not as strong as Meth-amphetamine, but it lets you keep your teeth!"
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#165404: Jan 5th 2017 at 1:51:31 PM

It wouldn't be a good idea to remove Trump on a technicality. That would make him a martyr in many eyes, and whoever took over wouldn't have legitimacy. The better play is to wait until he alienates a clear majority of voters and then move to impeach him.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#165405: Jan 5th 2017 at 1:55:50 PM

I Don't think creating an Independent Select Committee will stop Trump, and I don't think it should. However, it will stop any Future Candidate from winning an Election the same way Trump did; by having a Foreign Power heavily tilt the Coverage of any Candidate through Lies, Slander and Hacking.

@Le Garcon: That is literally impossible, unless America's Democracy dies in 2 years.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#165406: Jan 5th 2017 at 2:00:39 PM

Welp, I did my part and called my senator. No idea if it'll accomplish anything, but I figured it was high time I started doing something beyond just signing petitions. I actually feel a bit proud of myself, to be honest.smile

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#165407: Jan 5th 2017 at 2:07:26 PM

[up]Hey, do feel proud. Keep fighting the good fight, comrade!

Well, for a given value of "comrade", since I'm just watching this trainwreck from the other side of the globe, but you all have my sympathies. If only because this trainwreck is likely on a collision course with the rest of the world.

All I can do is vote for anyone-but-dead-badger-Wilders when the Dutch elections roll around.

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#165408: Jan 5th 2017 at 2:16:45 PM

RE: Planned Parenthood defund: Someone should probably point out that the Federal government is already banned from funding abortion by the constitution.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#165409: Jan 5th 2017 at 2:18:53 PM

They know

Oh really when?
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#165410: Jan 5th 2017 at 2:23:17 PM

By the Hyde Amendment, not the constitution.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#165411: Jan 5th 2017 at 2:24:25 PM

[up][up]Either way, as far as they're concerned, neither of them exists.

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#165412: Jan 5th 2017 at 2:25:08 PM

Even still, defunding planned parenthood directly affects womens health, poor people's health, AND LGBTQ health. That's like, a triple whammy of people the GOP would totally love to have die in a quiet manner that they can doublethink as Not Their Fault because of those groups "Sinful Lifestyles"

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Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#165413: Jan 5th 2017 at 3:22:26 PM

This elector thing feels blown out of proportion to me. Legitimate or not, these 50 electors still did what was expected of them. Even if they were invalidated, common sense would demand that they be replaced with other electors from the same party, who would likely not go faithless either.

Invalidating their vote without a way to put it back into place would be invalidating the vote of everyone who voted for them. Which, as tempting as it is in these desperate times, feels like a real subversion of democracy.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#165414: Jan 5th 2017 at 3:56:06 PM

[up]Agreed, even if I don't find the EC democratic to start with, this seems even less so.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#165415: Jan 5th 2017 at 4:05:15 PM

Apparently former CIA director James Woolsey, previously working with the Trump transition team, has split with them. The first of the rats to flee the sinking ship, perhaps?

Although the fact that Trump's spent the last week slagging off the intelligence community probably didn't help.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#165416: Jan 5th 2017 at 4:11:33 PM

[up][up][up]Members of the Electoral College aren't voted in.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#165417: Jan 5th 2017 at 4:14:29 PM

[up][up] Unlikely. People have been predicting Trump's imminent downfall since right after he started, and doing it once more is likely just wishful thinking.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#165418: Jan 5th 2017 at 4:18:59 PM

I'm hardly saying his downfall is imminent. Reports of Trump's demise have so far been greatly exaggerated. I'm wondering if Woolsey started to realize what a long-term disaster the new administration is going to be (although the question is, if that's the case, what prompted it), and decided to get while the getting was good.

Ships sink slowly.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#165419: Jan 5th 2017 at 4:19:50 PM

[up]The primary takeaway is that a sane, competent leader walked away without a stated reason. That is never a good sign, for anyone.

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#165420: Jan 5th 2017 at 4:20:11 PM

Heart attacks tho.

I made a comment about fat old men somewhere, I'm sure. Yes, in this specific case I am that petty.

edited 5th Jan '17 4:20:29 PM by blkwhtrbbt

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#165421: Jan 5th 2017 at 4:22:50 PM

Of course a Former CIA Head would leave a Transition Team like Trump's, considering for the past week Trump has done nothing but bashed every Intelligence Agency this whole week.

Honestly, tomorrow, when Trump is presented the evidence of Russian's Involvement in this Election, he better swallow his pride (and stupidity), admit he was wrong and publicly acknowledge Russia's interference, or else he's going to become a Pariah to the Republican Party (more so then he already is/was); they'll side with the Intelligence Community over Trump, Putin and his Puppets anyday.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#165422: Jan 5th 2017 at 4:24:00 PM

U.S. intercepts senior Russian officials congratulating themselves on Trump win

Senior officials in the Russian government celebrated Donald Trump’s victory over Hillary Clinton as a geopolitical win for Moscow, according to U.S. officials who said that American intelligence agencies intercepted communications in the aftermath of the election in which Russian officials congratulated themselves on the outcome.

The ebullient reaction among high-ranking Russian officials — including some who U.S. officials believe had knowledge of the country’s cyber campaign to interfere in the U.S. election — contributed to the U.S. intelligence community’s assessment that Moscow’s efforts were aimed at least in part at helping Trump win the White House.

Other key pieces of information gathered by U.S. spy agencies include the identification of “actors” involved in delivering stolen Democratic emails to the Wiki Leaks website, and disparities in the levels of effort Russian intelligence entities devoted to penetrating and exploiting sensitive information stored on Democratic and Republican campaign networks.

Those and other data points are at the heart of an unprecedented intelligence report being circulated in Washington this week that details the evidence of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential campaign and catalogues other cyber operations by Moscow against U.S. election systems over the past nine years.

The classified document, which officials said is over 50 pages, was delivered to President Obama on Thursday, and it is expected to be presented to Trump in New York on Friday by the nation’s top spy officials, including Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. and CIA Director John Brennan.

edited 5th Jan '17 4:24:41 PM by NoName999

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#165423: Jan 5th 2017 at 4:24:02 PM

I don't know how to feel when I hear stories like this. I don't doubt that the Trump regime will be awful for the country or the world, but every time I hear a veteran ditch the coming shitshow I get even more nervous. These people have no interest or experience in running a country, and yet they won't step aside.

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
Proglottid Since: Mar, 2010
#165425: Jan 5th 2017 at 4:29:27 PM

[up][up] The worst kind of people that have been, for years, chasing power that shouldn't legitimely belong to them, now had it practically dropped at their doorstep for the next coming YEARS.

And reality itself seems to be taking every turn so that they come out on top against what every logic would dictate.

It feels like wishful thinking it's all we have left, but it's been well proven we don't even have that

edited 5th Jan '17 4:32:14 PM by Proglottid


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