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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#165201: Jan 4th 2017 at 12:36:30 PM

I'll second the request to knock it off with all the Metal Gear Rising and Hamilton quotes. We get it, there are parallels. Enough already.

It's been fun.
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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#165203: Jan 4th 2017 at 12:45:27 PM

[up] I am going to assume that includes quotes from other works. tongue

Anyway, it looks like the GOP is gonna start things off this year with getting started on repealing the ACA.

This Is Gonna Suck.

And on a related note, is Trump really planning on privatizing parts of the VA? Even after being told not to by a bunch of veterans? If so...can't say I'm surprised.

edited 4th Jan '17 12:48:06 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#165204: Jan 4th 2017 at 12:48:00 PM

Eh, I'd say the problem with terms like "progressive" and "conservative" is that ideas tend to be Older Than They Think. On the flip side, everything was new at some point.

Leviticus 19:34
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#165205: Jan 4th 2017 at 12:57:52 PM

Almost every political idea has its roots in the past. Nothing is, strictly speaking, "new." It's the society around the idea that changes.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#165206: Jan 4th 2017 at 1:02:02 PM

In general I tend to dislike political and social labels to a certain extent, or at least the frustrating way most people apply them. I feel it leads people to consider ideas and stances by association rather than actual merit, and it leads to people making assumptions about what others believe or do without hearing their actual ideas first. It lets them create a strawman in their mind about that group that may not even necessarily be accurate to most of them, and it's a bad habit that transcends political affiliation.

For example, evolution is not a "leftist" idea that can be summarily dismissed based on your political beliefs, it's gonna be here whether you like it or not.

edited 4th Jan '17 1:10:37 PM by Draghinazzo

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#165207: Jan 4th 2017 at 1:27:08 PM

With the "Trump is bipolar" argument, I find it far more believable that it's a matter of who has possession of the device - Trump himself, or one of his aides. I seem to recall reading (probably at Cracked) that most of the batshit insane ones (and thus most likely Trump) came from one, while the more measured reactions came from the other, which has the hallmarks of a PR team having editing power on what actually comes out of Trump's brain, because God knows his mouth doesn't.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#165208: Jan 4th 2017 at 1:29:25 PM

Yeah. I thought was well known. I've seen several things over the past year noting the different tones of the two devices, as well as jokes about Trump getting his device back following a more measured tweet that was obviously not by him.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#165209: Jan 4th 2017 at 1:34:52 PM

Yeah, it was a Cracked article that theorized that the more unhinged tweets are from Trump himself, while the ones from the other device are from an intern or PR person.

It's been fun.
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#165210: Jan 4th 2017 at 1:39:05 PM

Yeah, pretty much. No need for the bipolar theory, since the reality is in itself unflattering/doesn't stigmatize mental illness.

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Lost in Space
#165211: Jan 4th 2017 at 1:48:18 PM

Armchair diagnosis of mental illness is fraught with all kinds of dangers and liabilities. Never mind that I've engaged in it myself; unless Trump seeks out or obtains a professional diagnosis, it's better to focus on what he's saying and doing then what may be going on inside that shriveled husk of a soul.

edited 4th Jan '17 1:48:45 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#165212: Jan 4th 2017 at 1:54:57 PM

It might be a good idea to have a full psychiatric evaluation before someone can become president. It isn't relevant just with Trump, Reagan had Alzheimer's, and the warning signs may have been there when he was first elected.

Even if it doesn't stop the person from being elected, it could let people know about any potential future landmines.

Like with Trump. It is likely that he has some form of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, if only because he adheres disturbingly close to the textbook standard symptoms all the time. (Yes, I know, armchair diagnosis) The problem is that if anything gets through to someone with Narcissistic Personality Disorder and punctures the bubble they've built around themselves, it can be extremely bad for everyone.

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#165213: Jan 4th 2017 at 2:23:06 PM

[up]Remember, his medical tests all came back "positive" according to his Rent-A-Doc... which means he's got every illness and disorder known to Man.

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Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#165214: Jan 4th 2017 at 2:27:59 PM

Problem is that whoever does the examination has the power to stop anyone from becoming president, not to mention whoever sets up the standard for "mentally sound". Not to mention that, given a properly motivated psychiatrist, pretty much everyone shows symptoms of something.

It's one of those things that sounds like a good idea, but is just going to get abused.

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#165217: Jan 4th 2017 at 2:42:18 PM

Yeah, and there's always the problem of a demagogue "biased psychiatrists won't let me run because they know I can win fuck the experts I'm great and I will make america great again with my greatness because I have the best people and the best word and the best brain make america great again the totally biased psychiatrists say I'm a megalomaniac but we all know that's bullshit, no folks?!"

But I've always fantasized about constitutionally mandating that any politician running for an executive position can not be a megalomaniac.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#165218: Jan 4th 2017 at 2:52:19 PM

[up]I'd like to apply that precept to a couple of bad bosses I've had...

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Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#165219: Jan 4th 2017 at 3:13:25 PM

But I've always fantasized about constitutionally mandating that any politician running for an executive position can not be a megalomaniac.

I suspect you'd have a lot less people running, if any at all. It takes a special kind of person to look at the responsibilities that comes with leading a large and powerful nation and say "Yeah, I can handle that".

edited 4th Jan '17 3:13:37 PM by Kayeka

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#165220: Jan 4th 2017 at 3:15:35 PM

I guess, TBH that's the main reason it's just a fantasy. I don't think I could "pass" myself if that was instituted.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
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Lost in Space
#165222: Jan 4th 2017 at 3:28:11 PM

Before quoting the WSJ, remember that it is a right-wing propaganda tool.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#165223: Jan 4th 2017 at 3:51:00 PM

A travel guide for 2017.

Inter arma enim silent leges
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#165224: Jan 4th 2017 at 4:09:02 PM

Bernie Sanders Brings Giant Printout of a Donald Trump Tweet to Senate Floor, to call Trump out on a lie[lol][lol]

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#165225: Jan 4th 2017 at 4:23:27 PM

All right, I admit I'm not much of a Bernie fan, but well done to him anyway.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."

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