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JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#159776: Dec 1st 2016 at 1:55:43 AM

Trump is a "billionaire"...even if he isn't as rich as he says he is...he's got more money than any of us or our children will ever have. That guy doesn't need a f—king chance or an open mind.

He has had too much of that.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159777: Dec 1st 2016 at 1:57:34 AM

Oh, and there's his trade policies to consider. He's made threats to start trade wars with Mexico (to strong-arm them into paying for his insane wall) and with China. Hopefully he won't actually follow through with either one, because that would fuck up the global economy.

edited 1st Dec '16 1:57:56 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#159778: Dec 1st 2016 at 2:01:04 AM

He's deep in debt with the Bank of China...they got dirt on him, he'll be a good boy to the Chinese. And you know I am all okay with China Takes Over the World at this point. China doesn't want wars...they want to make enough money to keep their people bribed for ever, they're doing neoliberalism's job for them.

That's a world I can live in...I will have to live in a world without freedom of speech and expression but, if it was good enough for William Shakespeare, it's good enough for me.

edited 1st Dec '16 2:01:24 AM by JulianLapostat

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159779: Dec 1st 2016 at 2:03:13 AM

[up] ...How sad is it that I'm actually hoping China is able to intimidate the future POTUS?

Here's hoping the Chinese can also make sure Trump honors the Paris Accords.

China is also not on good terms with Russia. Hopefully they can help keep Putin in check, since Trump probably isn't going to stand up to him.

"Save us, China! You're our only hope!"...it feels so weird to type that.

edited 1st Dec '16 2:05:27 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#159780: Dec 1st 2016 at 2:07:24 AM

Marine Le Pen believes in climate change...worst comes to worst, we will need her to talk to Trump.

The multi-polar world is our only hope against Trump: Putin, Merkel, Xi Jinping, whoever the hell replaces Hollande, Theresa May in UK. Putin likes the N-Deal and the Paris Accords and I am sure he has good blackmail on Trump.

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#159781: Dec 1st 2016 at 2:12:35 AM

If you open your mind too much your brain falls out.

Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#159782: Dec 1st 2016 at 2:13:49 AM

Yeah, Trump's presidency and his intention to throw away the TPP has assured that China is going to be taking America's place in East Asia and become the next superpower.

I regret not taking Mandarin in college. Oh well.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159783: Dec 1st 2016 at 2:15:53 AM

[up] Maybe I should pick it up again too. And maybe invest in the Chinese yuan more heavily. Particularly since China's proposed trade deal is going to make China very, very rich.

edited 1st Dec '16 2:16:29 AM by M84

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#159784: Dec 1st 2016 at 2:15:54 AM

I'm just waiting for Trump to flip on the TPP, the reaction will be hilarious when he announces that he's renegotiated it and that it's now "the best deal ever, such a better deal then it used to be, a huge deal for America".

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159785: Dec 1st 2016 at 2:17:21 AM

[up] That would piss off his base and the more so-called progressive part of the Democratic voter base. Especially since his would likely be even more corporatist than Obama's version was accused of being.

edited 1st Dec '16 2:20:58 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Geostomp In the name of the POWER, I will punish you! from Arkansas, USA Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
In the name of the POWER, I will punish you!
#159786: Dec 1st 2016 at 3:14:52 AM

People who ask us to have an "open mind" about a man who has run on wild incompetence, the most blatant racism this side of a Klan rally, spewed nothing but hateful gibberish for policy, shown an incredibly childish vindictive personality, impulsively cut funding to vital research by accusing it of being "politicized," and promised to stick his tiny fingers into everything he can to pay off his buddies while openly showing he has no intention of not looting the government through his kids are either blind or have absolute faith that being white will protect them from the coming days.

"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all" Futurama, Godfellas
JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#159787: Dec 1st 2016 at 4:01:21 AM

Obama says:

But how did the Democrats miss the white working class in such great numbers, who clearly had these big economic issues? They have lost their jobs in industrial states. ... It's not quite that simple, because this is not simply an economic issue. This is a cultural issue. And a communications issue. It is true that a lot of manufacturing has left or transformed itself because of automation. But during the course of my presidency, we added manufacturing jobs at historic rates, and think about it: In Michigan...If you look at Michigan, which I won, not just in 2008 but in 2012, by a wide margin, we paid a lot of attention to manufacturing jobs, which is why the auto industry is on double shifts in plants that used to be shut down. If you look at minimum-wage laws or family-leave policy or the investments that we made in community colleges or, for that matter, the Affordable Care Act, these are all big investments for working families, white, black and Hispanic. The challenge we had is not that we've neglected these communities from a policy perspective. That is, I think, an incorrect interpretation. You start reading folks saying, "Oh, you know, working-class families have been neglected," or "Working-class white families have not been paid attention to by Democrats." Actually, they have. What is true, though, is that whatever policy prescriptions that we've been proposing don't reach, are not heard, by the folks in these communities. And what they do hear is Obama or Hillary are trying to take away their guns or they disrespect you.

One of the challenges that we've been talking about now is the way social media and the Internet have changed what people receive as news. I was just talking to my political director, David Simas. He was looking at his Facebook page and some links from high school friends of his, some of whom were now passing around crazy stuff about, you know, Obama has banned the Pledge of Allegiance.

I think it is really important for us, as progressives – set aside the Democratic Party as an institution, but just anybody who wants to see a more progressive America – to think about how we are operating on the ground and showing up everywhere and fighting for the support of folks and giving them a concrete sense of what it is that we think will make their lives better, rather than depending on coming up with the right technocratic policies and sharing that with the New York Times editorial board. If we are not on the ground, and people are not hearing and seeing us face-to-face, then we'll keep on losing, even though I genuinely believe that the Republican prescriptions are not going to be as helpful to these folks.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#159788: Dec 1st 2016 at 4:09:13 AM

It's quite hilarious how people saying we should give Trump a chance never even considered that with Clinton.

JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#159789: Dec 1st 2016 at 4:14:15 AM

I honestly don't think folks like this understand the concept of irony and hypocrisy anymore. I am being serious. You need to be smart and have some decency to recognize irony and hypocrisy respectively.

But Trump and his supporters, as that Trevor Noah article, are utterly incapable of having those qualities. They are truly soulless. They use and employ words without understanding what they mean and are eternally projecting on to the others the lack of the same qualities in their guy..

edited 1st Dec '16 4:14:39 AM by JulianLapostat

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#159790: Dec 1st 2016 at 4:16:40 AM

TTP is dead...it was pretty much dead in the water months ago and even if Trump will change his mind now, the EU states will never agree to it, especially not without the UK pushing for it.

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#159791: Dec 1st 2016 at 5:25:42 AM

I just realized that in about a year or so I might have to say "Germany, come rescue us from the nazis!" and my brain exploded.

@trevor interview: I urge everyone here to go check it out. It was perhaps the most civil I've ever seen tomi and is his best interview to date. While I think her views are abhorrent she did in fact discuss them as opposed to say, Kellyanne, who simply talks really fast and hopes you don't notice she hasn't answered the question.

@TPP: I can't say i'm all that torn up about it. While in the net it probably would've had a positive impact we already have problems with wealth coalescing at the top and TPP most likely would have continued the trend.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#159792: Dec 1st 2016 at 5:37:03 AM

I just realized that in about a year or so I might have to say "Germany, come rescue us from the nazis!" and my brain exploded.

Well you know the English were the biggest slave trading nation in the 18th Century, and yet in the 19th they nearly single-handedly abolished the African slave trade.

So that might in fact happen.

As for the TPP...the way I see it money will go to the rich anyway (especially under Trump), and if that deal was necessary to help the Democrat in other areas with the Republicans, they should have gone ahead with it.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159793: Dec 1st 2016 at 5:48:05 AM

It'd be kind of funny if China's trade deal grants them so much power that TPP's current detractors (including myself) end up saying "Man, I wish we had the TPP".

Disgusted, but not surprised
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#159794: Dec 1st 2016 at 5:50:35 AM

Donald Trump staffer found guilty on 10 counts of election fraud {The Independent}

This was in 2012, but still...

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159795: Dec 1st 2016 at 5:55:03 AM

[up] The guy worked on the campaign in Michigan.

A guy who committed electoral fraud in the past was working on the Trump campaign in a state that was normally Blue where the margin of victory was incredibly thin.

SMH

Disgusted, but not surprised
JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#159796: Dec 1st 2016 at 5:58:25 AM

Trade agreements have an importance and function that are invisible to people in the bustle of everyday politics. Basically anything anti-corporate is good (and usually it is) but we don't get the larger picture or how it could affect and benefit the general will.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159797: Dec 1st 2016 at 6:00:02 AM

[up] And boy did that help screw over HRC in the Rust Belt states thanks to Bill Clinton signing NAFTA back when he was POTUS. To say nothing of her apparent flip-flop on TPP.

edited 1st Dec '16 6:00:39 AM by M84

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#159798: Dec 1st 2016 at 6:02:47 AM

[up]x7 Same here...above all I have zero interest in US business practices becoming common in the EU.

edited 1st Dec '16 6:03:16 AM by Swanpride

JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#159799: Dec 1st 2016 at 6:07:39 AM

NAFTA was planned by Reagan and as Obama said in interviews, stuff carries over between presidencies. Clinton's whole idea was to bring the Democrats back to power after 12 years of Republican Presidency and he decided to co-opt Reganomics and promised that he would be more competent than Reagan and do his job for him. I am not saying he shouldn't be blamed but you have to put it in context of the time.

NAFTA's main problems and defects were how it was implemented and written, there was no concern for worker's safeties or environmental regulations or other stuff. Problems that TPP apparently fixed.

And ultimately the plan of the Clintons was to leverage that wealth and achievement and bring social democracy back. Hence the big healthcare plan in the end of the 90s which Hillary oversaw and that got nuked until Obama decided to make Romneycare into a Franchise Trilogy and renamed it after him.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159800: Dec 1st 2016 at 6:08:22 AM

[up][up]Yeah, the MegaCorp trope is usually associated with bad guys for a reason.

edited 1st Dec '16 6:10:03 AM by M84

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