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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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The minute enough people lose their jobs, they aren't going to care how many jobs President Trump has saved. They will still be hurting, they will still be suffering. They voted for Trump to keep their jobs in the United States, not only their neighbors. If half, or even a third, of the Trumpicans lose their jobs, that will seriously ruin Trump's reputation, and with most Trumpicans being very suspicious of the media as it is (even though they trust Breitbart and Info Wars now), it wouldn't matter who is reporting what because they'll be pissed.
I really doubt that anyone predicting that the downtrodden working class will turn on Trump when his plans don't go through will be vindicated. He'll blame Democrats, even when there aren't any Democrats in the government, or minorities, and the working class will vote for more Republicans in the midterms, same as always.
It's been fun.
Not even remotely surprised. Disgusted, yes. But not surprised.
So this is how he plans to "save" jobs in America? By bribing the shit out of companies? Why the hell not — it's not his money he's using.
Anyone who isn't in the upper tax-bracket is gonna be feeling the pinch though. Either through increased taxes on them or the impact of deficit spending and/or cuts in social services which they rely on more heavily.
edited 30th Nov '16 9:06:59 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised
Or they decide deficits don't matter and run a Bread and Circuses economy, leaving the bill for the next Democrat lead administration.
You say "need" as if any party organization is strictly necessary in any way and not just a result of people with similar values banding together to promote those values in society. We don't "need" any kind of group with similar values, they just happen as a natural tendency of people to group together with those possessing similar values and goals. This is, of course, a general observation applicable to any group that forms for any reason.
You want to get rid of the Republican party? Convince people to group together with you. But saying "need" as if we need any specific group or can just eliminate that which proves inconvenient (massively so in this case) is kind of misunderstanding how groups form.
Eh, maybe not all the Republicans — but the ones at the top who appear most often in the news? The ones in charge? Yeah, they've proven themselves time and again to be petty, amoral, corrupt — and worst of all, incompetent.
Problem is, a lot of the Republicans who work on the lower local levels — state legislatures and such — are apparently perfectly reasonable and ethical. That's one of the major reasons Republican voters are rather reliable.
On the other hand: they voted for Trump. Given all the things he has said and done in this election campaign alone...
edited 30th Nov '16 9:43:47 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedTactical, you have repeatedly displayed a very hardline way of thinking that is, at worst, obstructive to actual goals. Now I doubt anyone here will force you to be conciliatory towards the Republicans, but your attitude towards them is worrying in the same way your insistence that we stamp out Sanders supporters was. You are, kind of ironically, appearing to be a mild example of the horseshoe effect here.
I'm not saying this to be mean or anything, just pointing out a tendency of yours.
And, as frustrating as Republican voters are, we must take steps to remember that Republican voters are not the Republican politicians who are putting their policies into place. What one group does can be changed in the future. The other, not so much.
edited 30th Nov '16 9:48:07 PM by AceofSpades
If the Trump administration really does turn out to be as much of a disaster as many of us fear, I'm gonna be right there with Tactical in condemning every single fuckwit who voted for Trump or didn't vote for HRC if they end up re-electing him anyway.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
edited 30th Nov '16 9:52:16 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised
Speaking purely in terms of actual logistics and reasoning as opposed to... anything else, how likely is it for that to actually happen?
I suppose you're right. I was only half serious anyway.
Trump would need the WH, a significant majority in the House and Senate, a sympathetic SC, and most of the state legislatures and governors on his side.
(Hope the Dems can defend their Senate seats in 2018 well enough)
I also can't see the American people loving President Trump so much that they will vote for him again after 8 years.
edited 30th Nov '16 10:09:04 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedAlso assuming that being president doesn't outright kill him due to stress. The guy is old, and I've heard he's in bad health. We've seen how quickly being POTUS ages people. That is of course unless Trump staves off every bit of stress the job entails by letting someone else do it, which he's obviously doing.
There's no way he'll be able to stave off all the stress. A guy that thin-skinned ain't gonna live a carefree life when most of the planet hates his guts.
So yeah, following the general trend that Presidents age at double speed, he'll be 85 in 2024 if he gets re-elected. So I wouldn't bank on him dying in office, but I would bank on him being grateful he's not allowed to seek a third term.
Elaine Chao is the new Transportation Secretary
. Given the pattern so far, I'm guessing she believes that electric trains are liberal propaganda.

edited 30th Nov '16 7:51:55 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised