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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#159701: Nov 30th 2016 at 6:33:40 PM

The faithless pushing against Clinton isn't a rejection of her so much as a desperate bid for pragmatisim. They know one of the main Republican arguments against Trump is that Clinton is worse, so they're trying to take the fangs out of it.

My source on these details is a Vox article, I linked it before but can't find it again at the moment.

JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#159702: Nov 30th 2016 at 6:35:09 PM

The TPP was NAFTA improved. It was going to allow room for greater demand for American workers since the provisions in it insisted on better economic conditions and amelioration in the Asia-Pacific region, make it more environment friendly and safe. This greater expense to be born by nations in the pacific, like Vietnam and others, would in the short run create demand for American labour, whose products would attract sales internationally.

It would also keep China from becoming the pre-eminent global superpower...which is I think going to happen soon. They are talking about reigniting the Palestine peace talks and taking a lead in that situation, they are soon going to buy out Hollywood and if they move in the Asia-Pacific with their trade agreement, US is shut out.

Problem is nobody bothered to explain all this and how it would improve on NAFTA.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159703: Nov 30th 2016 at 6:37:14 PM

[up][up] So it's basically this:

"For the love of God, anyone but Trump! The man is a national disgrace! We know you can't stand HRC. Fine. It doesn't have to be HRC. It doesn't have to be a Democrat. We'll go with a Republican. We'll vote for Mcmullin. We'll vote for Romney. We'll vote for Kasich. We'll vote for Ryan. We'll vote for Powell. We'll vote for Bush. Any Bush! We'll vote for Reagan's corpse! We'll vote for a fucking pet rock!

ANYONE BUT TRUMP!"

edited 30th Nov '16 6:39:17 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#159704: Nov 30th 2016 at 6:44:43 PM

I would genuinely not mind Colin Powell being president.

edited 30th Nov '16 6:45:44 PM by Draghinazzo

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#159706: Nov 30th 2016 at 6:45:25 PM

The sad things about these faithless electors is that I suspect their reasons for turning faithless will be largely forgotten by history- people interested in looking at such things will see that they voted for some random Republican instead of Hillary like they were supposed to. Anything more than that about them... we're talking about a footnote of a footnote.

So history will see them as turning on the democrats, when in fact they're trying to meet the republicans half-way.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159707: Nov 30th 2016 at 6:46:03 PM

[up][up] At this point, if the Lizard People revealed themselves to the world, I would gladly welcome them as our new overlords.

edited 30th Nov '16 6:46:26 PM by M84

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#159708: Nov 30th 2016 at 6:46:42 PM

[up][up] I think that depends largely on how Trump himself will be remembered. If he is rightfully vilified as a demagogue who rose to popularity on a wave of economic anxiety and white revanchism, they might be seen in a more favorable light.

edited 30th Nov '16 6:46:54 PM by Draghinazzo

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#159709: Nov 30th 2016 at 6:48:49 PM

There was a point during the campaign where I heard someone say that Trump looked like he was wearing an ill-fitting 'Donald Trump' costume, and that made me start thinking about what's underneath the costume. I concluded that he probably wasn't a lizard person, because they're traditionally somewhat better at hiding their true nature and playing the politics game.

[up]Ahh, but that's contingent on history actually remembering that the point of them turning faithless was desperate bid to stop Trump. Which I suspect will be a decidedly obscure factoid.

Unless, of course, they actually manage to succeed.

edited 30th Nov '16 6:50:44 PM by Gilphon

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#159710: Nov 30th 2016 at 6:49:52 PM

[up]So we aren't living in V? Honestly, that's not much of a comfort.tongue

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159712: Nov 30th 2016 at 6:56:34 PM

At this point if the Combine showed up and took over...

Well, okay, it would definitely be much worse. But at least there would be a certain dignity to it. I mean, just typing "President Trump" is embarassing.

Disgusted, but not surprised
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#159713: Nov 30th 2016 at 7:07:39 PM

Pakistan Prime Minister says Trump said that Pakistan was an "amazing nation" and that the USA would do whatever it takes to solve "the outstanding problems".

Well, it looks like Pakistani's aren't going to be blocked off from the United States, even though Pakistan is one of the most religiously extreme nations in the world and one of the nations that actively finances Islamic Terrorism.

How do you think all the Hindu Nationalists, both in India and the United States, are going to feel when they hear this?

edited 30th Nov '16 7:08:44 PM by DingoWalley1

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159714: Nov 30th 2016 at 7:14:39 PM

[up] ...Didn't the Hindu Nationalists in the USA vote for Trump? tongue

I am really loving the schaudenfreude now.

edited 30th Nov '16 7:15:43 PM by M84

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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#159715: Nov 30th 2016 at 7:22:09 PM

I'm pretty sure he says that to everyone that he wants to love him. I mean, Jesus Christ, just look at the rest of their exchange.

Anyone who actually expects him to hold up his end of a bargain is terminally stupid.

Note that the hyperlink itself reads "donald-trump-tells-pakistan-whatever" which is profoundly more accurate.

edited 30th Nov '16 7:22:59 PM by Eschaton

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#159716: Nov 30th 2016 at 7:23:28 PM

I put it to you all that Trump has gotten confused and thinks that Pakistan is the Hindu one.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#159717: Nov 30th 2016 at 7:25:56 PM

"ISIS has the best followers. Very passionate. The most passionate."

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#159718: Nov 30th 2016 at 7:26:30 PM

[up][up][up][up] Yes, they did. And it's also really funny because this year, there have been more Indian Illegal Immigrants in this Country then Hispanic ones.

edited 30th Nov '16 7:26:57 PM by DingoWalley1

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159719: Nov 30th 2016 at 7:31:43 PM

I almost pity the Trump voters who voted for him for reasons other than validating their own bigotry and xenophobia. They actually fell for his used car salesman bullshit.

Almost.

@Eschaton

That would mean that millions of Americans are terminally stupid, given that they voted him into the Oval Office.

Granted, I'm not saying you're wrong...

edited 30th Nov '16 7:34:57 PM by M84

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#159720: Nov 30th 2016 at 7:36:55 PM

Hindu nationalists don't care if its just rhetoric (which Trump is prone to doing). The only way they get irate is if he actively gets involved in Kashmir and tries to force India into multilateral negotiations or if he cancels deals with India over nonsense. Then you can take glee at the schadenfreude.

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#159721: Nov 30th 2016 at 7:38:05 PM

Black Comedy / God is Dead Result of a Trump Administration:

Trump accidentally causes World Peace by making everyone desperate to bribe him, that they're too busy to fight each other out of need to waste resources on buying Trump Steaks at Trump Hotel Moscow, or so such.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159722: Nov 30th 2016 at 7:38:47 PM

[up][up] Party-pooper tongue

edited 30th Nov '16 7:38:59 PM by M84

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FieldMarshalFry Field Marshal of Cracked from World Internet War 1 Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Field Marshal of Cracked
#159723: Nov 30th 2016 at 7:40:17 PM

more like everyone else unites in a "fuck Trump" coalition, even Russia, after President Putin points out Trump's fingers really are tiny and he throws a hissy fit on twitter

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159724: Nov 30th 2016 at 7:43:06 PM

The funny thing about that Carrier deal mentioned earlier is that they were originally planning to move 2100 jobs to Mexico. The deal only saved about 1000 jobs in return for YUUGE bribes. The best bribes. Which means Carrier is still moving 1100 jobs to Mexico.

So Trump was only able to save fewer than half of the jobs in a deal that will cost Indiana's taxpayers bigly.

Par for the course for Trump I guess. No wonder he didn't get an MBA at Wharton.

Big business is going to have a field day with Trump's administration. At least until he screws up so badly he crashes the global economy, screwing everyone over.

edited 30th Nov '16 7:48:09 PM by M84

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#159725: Nov 30th 2016 at 7:48:04 PM

And yet even the crooked mainstream news sites are praising Trump for it.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

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