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JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#159301: Nov 29th 2016 at 10:31:05 AM

[up][up]

"Lenin lives, Lenin Lived. Lenin will live again". That was an actual motto used in the USSR by the way.

If anyone has the time, I recommend watching this video about how Lenin was mummified, it's an incredible tour de force into explaining how myths and ideas take root.

edited 29th Nov '16 10:31:27 AM by JulianLapostat

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#159302: Nov 29th 2016 at 10:31:37 AM

[up][up] That itself is part of the message.

edited 29th Nov '16 10:31:42 AM by CaptainCapsase

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#159303: Nov 29th 2016 at 10:52:50 AM

The last couple weeks, but especially the last few days in particular, have proven that no, Trump isn't going to magically change into a decent guy once he's in the White House. The conservatives that thought he would, if he just surrounded himself with "good people", are incredibly naive, way too forgiving, and enabling his boorish behavior. This is him. This is who we have to put up with for four years.

JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#159304: Nov 29th 2016 at 10:59:02 AM

Why anyone expected otherwise is a mystery. Trump is 70 years old and all his life up to now, he has never shown maturity, initiative or skills of any sort other than a hustler and showman. Now they expect him to change...there are late bloomers in history but gimme a break.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#159305: Nov 29th 2016 at 11:01:43 AM

I think it's partially an outgrowth of the lying politician stereotype. They figured he was just playing to crowds to get votes.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#159306: Nov 29th 2016 at 11:03:45 AM

[up][up]If Trump somehow has his own little Christmas Carol, I'll prance around and sing 'Happy happy joy joy' like no tomorrow, but until evidence shows otherwise, I'm still expecting his next to tweet to be about how Scrooge's policies on population control were just under appreciated in his time.tongue

[up]In a way he was, in that he was telling the people what they wanted to hear. But just because you don't always mean what you say doesn't mean you're not a dirty rotten douchebag, and Trump is going to stay a dirty rotten doucebag 'till the day he dies. It's just in what ways he's going to enact his douchebagery from here on out that he's not always consistent on.tongue

edited 29th Nov '16 11:10:35 AM by kkhohoho

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#159307: Nov 29th 2016 at 11:04:41 AM

He really is basically a modern, nonfictional Scrooge, isn't he.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#159308: Nov 29th 2016 at 11:07:19 AM

So Americans, tired of politicians telling lies, decide to support Trump. Trump, who they thought was both “telling it like it is” and that “he’s saying that to pander the voters”

WAT?

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#159309: Nov 29th 2016 at 11:07:23 AM

Scrooge at least had the potential to learn from his mistakes.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#159310: Nov 29th 2016 at 11:08:39 AM

Now would be a really good time for ghosts to turn out to be really.

It's almost Christmas, guys! Make it happen!

Oh God! Natural light!
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#159311: Nov 29th 2016 at 11:09:10 AM

[up]x4 TRUMP: If they're going to die, then let them die, and decrease the surplus population.

Honestly, even knowing that A Christmas Carol is a thing, that is still completely in character for Trump.tongue

edited 29th Nov '16 11:09:24 AM by kkhohoho

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#159312: Nov 29th 2016 at 11:13:46 AM

People who say 'it's an act to pander to the voters' confuse me, because who sits down and thinks 'doing my very best Hitler impression is clearly the best way to get elected president'?

Stormtroper from Little Venice Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: I-It's not like I like you, or anything!
#159313: Nov 29th 2016 at 11:15:08 AM

Judging from electoral results, someone who knows what they're doing.

Edit: Including Hitler.

edited 29th Nov '16 11:17:46 AM by Stormtroper

And that's how I ended up in the wardrobe. It Just Bugs Me!
JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#159314: Nov 29th 2016 at 11:20:38 AM

A dictatorship, if you can keep it...

— Benjamin Franklin.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#159315: Nov 29th 2016 at 11:23:11 AM

Is there anything actually illegal with Clinton or Soros funding the recount?

I don't think he means to indicate anything is illegal with it. By saying that prosecution is more likely, he's basically making a threat. Here, let me break out my Dogwhistle-to-English Translator.

"Prosecution of the Clintons is more likely due to the recount" translates to, "Y'all better cut it out with this recount business. Donald Trump extended a very fine olive branch by refusing to hold up to that particular campaign promise, but if you keep this up, we might just go get that special prosecutor after all. You've been warned. What happens to Clinton is on your head."

Trump is a con artist and, as I noted during the campaign, he runs on the PUA tactic of negging America. I'm pretty sure we can reasonably expect some more veiled threats to come from his administration. "Now I'm not saying there's anything in motion right now, but maybe y'all might want to cut back on these protests before we decide we might not need a First Amendment after all."

I look forward to The Bear Flag Republic slowly taking over the US once the whole thing fragments into little weak countries.

Sign me up for the New California Republic! I've been in Colorado most of my life, but I was born there; that means I get automatic citizenship, right? We are, after all, the party that supports Birthright Citizenship.

So Americans, tired of politicians telling lies, decide to support Trump. Trump, who they thought was both “telling it like it is” and that “he’s saying that to pander the voters”

You can't be a Republican without mastering doublethink.

edited 29th Nov '16 11:25:35 AM by TobiasDrake

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#159316: Nov 29th 2016 at 11:25:40 AM

You really can't. It'd be really interesting to sit down and study from a sociology perspective if it wasn't so goddamn terrifying.

Oh really when?
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#159317: Nov 29th 2016 at 11:35:08 AM

We all know that Calexit is an incredibly bad idea that will never happen and is more or less an overreaction to the Trump win. But now that it's becoming painfully obvious that Trump will almost certainly never become a responsible POTUS and is seemingly intent on giving out Cabinet positions to the very worst possible people...

The New California Republic does have a nice ring to it. But we'd need Colorado and its river...

edited 29th Nov '16 11:36:09 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#159318: Nov 29th 2016 at 11:37:36 AM

Trump is best compared to Robber Baron Scrooge McDuck (part 11 of Life and Times and some of his initial comics).

Modern Scrooge may spend as little money as possible, but he loves his family, and when the chips are down, is a good manduck at heart.

Trump is not even close to modern Scrooge.

edited 29th Nov '16 11:37:54 AM by tclittle

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#159319: Nov 29th 2016 at 11:58:57 AM

Scrooge is a competent businessman, Trump isn't. He's not as rich as he claims or pretends to be...hence this pathetic hawking off his businesses after he's become President.

As for Calexit...I think the way to go about it is

1) Tax Protest, because that is something ancient in America, with strong precedents (Thoreau, Vietnam War protests) and see how government responds to the absence of money coming from the richest and most developed parts of US...state government can run via donations to NG Os, some of which I believe are...tax deductible. The legal justification is clear...Trump has not disclosed his taxes, there are severe conflicts-of-interest and taxpayers can't trust if the money they are giving to the government is for Federal Employees and maintaining institutions or going into the President's slush-fund.

2) Obviously how the government responds to this will be key...but if it continues to behave badly, and California continues to be self-governing and tax dodging, then eventually secession comes into play. You have to take a stand and prove that you can go it alone, not only to the government but to your own citizens.

3) This is all non-violent and in the consensual tradition of civil-disobedience, that of Thoreau and Gandhi (who was inspired by Thoreau), two famous tax protestors. It's very important to build legitimacy otherwise the government will paint California as a liberal confederate insurrection.

edited 29th Nov '16 12:01:10 PM by JulianLapostat

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#159320: Nov 29th 2016 at 12:04:17 PM

What's getting me right now, btw about Trump's latest little tirade.

Nobody really burns flags. It happens so unbelievably rarely. This is just something used as a threat to harness rage. It's so damn pointless to start with this as a complete non-sequitor. And not enough people have issues with the President-Elect deciding to revoke peoples' citizenship for exercising first amendment rights in ways he doesn't like.

JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#159321: Nov 29th 2016 at 12:12:15 PM

The thing is Antonin Scalia himself defended flag-burning under the First Amendment. So this isn't even Republican orthodoxy.

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#159322: Nov 29th 2016 at 12:16:17 PM

This is "Crazy old man saw Fox News mentioning students burning flags at nearly 7 in the morning and it got him extremely mad and upset." orthodoxy.

I don't think there's any strategy with Trump other than Anger and Fury. If it manages to work like Dictatorship, it's due to his anger being like that of a dictatorship.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#159323: Nov 29th 2016 at 12:17:13 PM

Sign me up for the New California Republic! I've been in Colorado most of my life, but I was born there; that means I get automatic citizenship, right? We are, after all, the party that supports Birthright Citizenship.

You come here I will kick you right back to Colorado. Keep that state blue, or so help me! >:[

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#159324: Nov 29th 2016 at 12:18:07 PM

Don't know if anybody's posted this yet, but NY Times compiled a comprehensive list of everyone Trump's insulted on Twitter. HOLY. SHIT. Really quite eye-opening when viewed all at once. This is gonna be our president, ladies and gentlemen.

Side question: Doesn't all of this qualify as harassment, which is against Twitter's rules? If so, why the hell isn't he banned from it?

edited 29th Nov '16 12:20:32 PM by speedyboris

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#159325: Nov 29th 2016 at 12:18:31 PM

So apparently Trump's seriously going to be doing his victory tour of post-election rallies, that wasn't just a rumor. Many people here thought that was a clear sign he was going to be a docile puppet to the GOP, but I don't think that will be the case. These rallies, beyond giving him a massive ego boost, are likely intended as a means of bolstering his burgeoning cult of personality, in addition to the obvious role they have in bypassing the media.

edited 29th Nov '16 12:18:51 PM by CaptainCapsase


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