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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#158951: Nov 27th 2016 at 8:12:25 PM

The thing with Trump is that he will never be more trouble than he's worth for the Republican party. The man is a cipher, a tool to get what they want, because he changes what he's saying every time he speaks to someone new and the people who voted him in are too angry and hateful to care about anything bad he does. Trump is a damn carte blanche to the Republicans.

It's been fun.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#158952: Nov 27th 2016 at 8:22:53 PM

A lot of people in the Republican party were probably aware of the fact that a lot of people and analysts thought Trump would fall and that they were doomed into obsolescence.

Now that it didn't happen, I don't see them doing anything to stop him, because he's what got them here and they know it. Some individual Republicans may take stands on certain issues, but overall they're gonna milk this for all it's worth.

JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#158953: Nov 27th 2016 at 8:23:14 PM

The Republican Party have their eyes on the long-game, that's going to be 2018, and then 2020. It's about the SCOTUS. Having Republicans on all three branches is good, but why stick with Trump who's an embrassment instead of Pence who is not an embarassment, can pull off a Mask of Sanity and not tarnish the Republicans.

Trump left to himself can potentially make the GOP unelectable by means of association. They are already unofficially a part of White Nationalists and White Supremacists. maybe that's what they always were but there has to be a way for them to escape the tag and impeaching Trump provides them a way out.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#158954: Nov 27th 2016 at 8:31:22 PM

This election has proven that people will vote for someone openly endorsed (and endorsing) white nationalists. The Republican party doesn't need to dissociate themselves from those groups if they're the ones that got them into office.

A bit off-topic, but something I've been wondering about - I wonder how many of the far-left people I've seen posting about how we have to understand white rural America's economic anxiety, and how it's not really about racism (because none of them have ever seen a real black person so it's not like they hate them), and how the Dems should focus on economic populism and wooing the Rust Belt for the future - I wonder how much of the sudden shift from 'smash the oppressors' to 'listen to the oppressors and maybe toss their counties some economic incentives not to fuck over minorities' is due to the thought process that 'Bernie would have won, Bernie ran on economic populism, therefore economic populism would win'.

Edit: I realize this is worded pretty bluntly. It's honestly just musing. I'll take responsibility if things get heated - I'm just truly curious if that might be part of the sudden shift.

edited 27th Nov '16 8:33:39 PM by RedSavant

It's been fun.
rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#158955: Nov 27th 2016 at 8:42:41 PM

My theory's just that they were always like that and Hillary's loss just gave them the chance to show their true colors.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#158956: Nov 27th 2016 at 8:44:00 PM

It's essentially pure opportunism. Obviously the establishment Neo-Liberal candidate quote unquote lost, so the real reasons must be the politics, and the voters had legitimate reasons to reject her and vote for a fascist...and obviously if the Neo-Liberal is weak there's now room for alternatives. So they can now march in and claim "I told you so". That's what all this neo-Bernieism is inspired by. Never mind that Bernie was unpopular among African-Americans, said stupid things like "Planned Parenthood is part of the establishment" and has a nostalgia for the New Deal that doesn't have any place for the harsh reality that even then, the New Deal worked by going to white-working class first over Black folks. And that he lost the primary by a large margin and relied on caucuses.

They see Trump as "the worse the better" in the gutter-Leninist mould, forgetting the real Lenin told British and German Communists to ally with the Labour and Social Democrats and engage in political process. He would insist on executing Green Parties toute suite. Even CPUSA at their height backed the Democrat Party rather than play spoiler.

JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#158958: Nov 27th 2016 at 10:30:49 PM

Keith Olbermann digs up some cool Legal Kung-Fu]]:

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edited 27th Nov '16 10:31:50 PM by JulianLapostat

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#158959: Nov 27th 2016 at 10:50:12 PM

Ooh, that is cool. But it requires Trump's cabinet, which is likely to be full of his cronies, to decide to backstab him.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#158960: Nov 27th 2016 at 10:51:48 PM

[up][up] Granted, if the GOP actually tried to pull this stunt, that would really piss off Trump's supporters. They'd have to be either really stupid or really desperate to get rid of Trump.

OTOH, anything that keeps the GOP busy in-fighting instead of pushing through their horrendous policies is fine by me.

edited 27th Nov '16 10:52:18 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
BagofMagicFood Since: Jan, 2001
#158961: Nov 27th 2016 at 10:54:27 PM

And do you really want a President Pence just yet?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#158962: Nov 27th 2016 at 11:05:12 PM

Pence is a scary bastard, but he is at least a bit more predictable and stable compared to Trump. We need only look at his (poor) tenure as Indiana's governor to get an idea of what he might attempt as POTUS.

Admittedly, I am not a member of the LGBTQ community (and as far as I know, the rest of my immediate family and friends are more or less heterosexual), so I would not be strongly affected by some of Pence's crazier beliefs.

edited 27th Nov '16 11:06:56 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#158963: Nov 27th 2016 at 11:06:55 PM

Pence wouldn't be putting us on course toward nationalistic US and wouldn't be giving white supremacists glee so yes, I prefer Pence.

Plus he'd turn their supporters against the republicans giving the democrats a better chance at winning in 2018/2020.

edited 27th Nov '16 11:07:28 PM by MadSkillz

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#158964: Nov 27th 2016 at 11:07:48 PM

[up] The LGBTQ community would probably be in for a rough ride. As would any woman who might need an abortion in the future.

Disgusted, but not surprised
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#158965: Nov 27th 2016 at 11:09:16 PM

We don't need Trump out of the election, we need this whole nonsense just gone. The cabinet, his appointments, everything.

It's been fun.
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#158966: Nov 27th 2016 at 11:09:56 PM

We don't need Trump out of the election, we need this whole nonsense just gone. The cabinet, his appointments, everything.

Presumably Pence would change things around.

@M84 They're going to be in for a rough ride either way.

edited 27th Nov '16 11:10:19 PM by MadSkillz

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#158967: Nov 27th 2016 at 11:10:29 PM

If it was only Trump, I think most of us wouldn't be as concerned as we are now. Too bad he's surrounding himself with a (literal?) murderer's row.

[up] True, but it would almost certainly be worse under a POTUS who genuinely believes they need to be "cured". With shock therapy.

edited 27th Nov '16 11:12:15 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#158968: Nov 27th 2016 at 11:19:11 PM

@Red: I mean, I feel you, but that ship has kind of sailed. I don't see any plausible future that doesn't involve some permutation of those people in control of the presidency for the next four years. So, as shitty as this probably is to hear, the situation going to bad no matter what, so choose the least terrifying option. If that makes sense.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#158969: Nov 27th 2016 at 11:46:54 PM

At this point, the question isn't whether the next four years are going to be good or bad.

The question is whether we'll be living in a grim cyberpunk dystopia with nanotech, giant sentry robots, and god-like computers or spending our days fighting off giant scorpions and mutated geckos.

Disgusted, but not surprised
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#158970: Nov 28th 2016 at 12:05:17 AM

As awful as Pence would be for the LGBT community, Supreme Court rulings mean he can't at least revoke same sex marriages or ban abortions completely. So some legal limit exists as to how far he can act to curb LGBT rights.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#158971: Nov 28th 2016 at 12:08:47 AM

Just keep him away from the big red button, prevent him from joining with Russia in order to decide who gets which part of the world and ensure that there will be a proper election next time around...than at least the rest of the world has a chance to survive this.

JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#158972: Nov 28th 2016 at 12:11:03 AM

There won't be a proper election until Voting Rights Act is re-enforced, gerrmandering is dicouraged and EC is shut down. Until then it's off to the strategy boards...

JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#158973: Nov 28th 2016 at 12:18:22 AM

Trump is himself an incompetent and has Attention Deficit... Ooh, Shiny! and the people around him are boyars and kleptocrats and Republican apparatchiks.

He and his men are going to rob the American people of their tax money. They have already gotten a good bit.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#158974: Nov 28th 2016 at 12:35:03 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if the Trump administration sells Yellowstone to the Koch brothers.

If anything could push the majority of Californians to seriously consider a Calexit...

Heh, maybe Trump will push for his face to be added to Mt. Rushmore.

edited 28th Nov '16 12:38:49 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#158975: Nov 28th 2016 at 12:51:46 AM

He doesn't need to ban gay marriage, this FADA bill just lets people decide whether or not they want to acknowledge people's human rights.

It's been fun.

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