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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
A lot of people in the Republican party were probably aware of the fact that a lot of people and analysts thought Trump would fall and that they were doomed into obsolescence.
Now that it didn't happen, I don't see them doing anything to stop him, because he's what got them here and they know it. Some individual Republicans may take stands on certain issues, but overall they're gonna milk this for all it's worth.
The Republican Party have their eyes on the long-game, that's going to be 2018, and then 2020. It's about the SCOTUS. Having Republicans on all three branches is good, but why stick with Trump who's an embrassment instead of Pence who is not an embarassment, can pull off a Mask of Sanity and not tarnish the Republicans.
Trump left to himself can potentially make the GOP unelectable by means of association. They are already unofficially a part of White Nationalists and White Supremacists. maybe that's what they always were but there has to be a way for them to escape the tag and impeaching Trump provides them a way out.
This election has proven that people will vote for someone openly endorsed (and endorsing) white nationalists. The Republican party doesn't need to dissociate themselves from those groups if they're the ones that got them into office.
A bit off-topic, but something I've been wondering about - I wonder how many of the far-left people I've seen posting about how we have to understand white rural America's economic anxiety, and how it's not really about racism (because none of them have ever seen a real black person so it's not like they hate them), and how the Dems should focus on economic populism and wooing the Rust Belt for the future - I wonder how much of the sudden shift from 'smash the oppressors' to 'listen to the oppressors and maybe toss their counties some economic incentives not to fuck over minorities' is due to the thought process that 'Bernie would have won, Bernie ran on economic populism, therefore economic populism would win'.
Edit: I realize this is worded pretty bluntly. It's honestly just musing. I'll take responsibility if things get heated - I'm just truly curious if that might be part of the sudden shift.
edited 27th Nov '16 8:33:39 PM by RedSavant
It's been fun.My theory's just that they were always like that and Hillary's loss just gave them the chance to show their true colors.
Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.It's essentially pure opportunism. Obviously the establishment Neo-Liberal candidate quote unquote lost, so the real reasons must be the politics, and the voters had legitimate reasons to reject her and vote for a fascist...and obviously if the Neo-Liberal is weak there's now room for alternatives. So they can now march in and claim "I told you so". That's what all this neo-Bernieism is inspired by. Never mind that Bernie was unpopular among African-Americans, said stupid things like "Planned Parenthood is part of the establishment" and has a nostalgia for the New Deal that doesn't have any place for the harsh reality that even then, the New Deal worked by going to white-working class first over Black folks. And that he lost the primary by a large margin and relied on caucuses
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They see Trump as "the worse the better" in the gutter-Leninist mould, forgetting the real Lenin told British and German Communists to ally with the Labour and Social Democrats and engage in political process. He would insist on executing Green Parties toute suite. Even CPUSA at their height backed the Democrat Party rather than play spoiler.
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edited 27th Nov '16 10:31:50 PM by JulianLapostat
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Granted, if the GOP actually tried to pull this stunt, that would really piss off Trump's supporters. They'd have to be either really stupid or really desperate to get rid of Trump.
OTOH, anything that keeps the GOP busy in-fighting instead of pushing through their horrendous policies is fine by me.
edited 27th Nov '16 10:52:18 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedPence is a scary bastard, but he is at least a bit more predictable and stable compared to Trump. We need only look at his (poor) tenure as Indiana's governor to get an idea of what he might attempt as POTUS.
Admittedly, I am not a member of the LGBTQ community (and as far as I know, the rest of my immediate family and friends are more or less heterosexual), so I would not be strongly affected by some of Pence's crazier beliefs.
edited 27th Nov '16 11:06:56 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedIf it was only Trump, I think most of us wouldn't be as concerned as we are now. Too bad he's surrounding himself with a (literal?) murderer's row.
True, but it would almost certainly be worse under a POTUS who genuinely believes they need to be "cured". With shock therapy.
edited 27th Nov '16 11:12:15 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised@Red: I mean, I feel you, but that ship has kind of sailed. I don't see any plausible future that doesn't involve some permutation of those people in control of the presidency for the next four years. So, as shitty as this probably is to hear, the situation going to bad no matter what, so choose the least terrifying option. If that makes sense.
At this point, the question isn't whether the next four years are going to be good or bad.
The question is whether we'll be living in a grim cyberpunk dystopia with nanotech, giant sentry robots, and god-like computers or spending our days fighting off giant scorpions and mutated geckos.
Disgusted, but not surprisedTrump is himself an incompetent and has Attention Deficit... Ooh, Shiny! and the people around him are boyars and kleptocrats and Republican apparatchiks.
He and his men are going to rob the American people of their tax money. They have already gotten a good bit.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Trump administration sells Yellowstone to the Koch brothers.
If anything could push the majority of Californians to seriously consider a Calexit...
Heh, maybe Trump will push for his face to be added to Mt. Rushmore.
edited 28th Nov '16 12:38:49 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised

The thing with Trump is that he will never be more trouble than he's worth for the Republican party. The man is a cipher, a tool to get what they want, because he changes what he's saying every time he speaks to someone new and the people who voted him in are too angry and hateful to care about anything bad he does. Trump is a damn carte blanche to the Republicans.
It's been fun.