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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#158926: Nov 27th 2016 at 7:40:56 PM

What are you talking about Field Marshal?

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#158927: Nov 27th 2016 at 7:42:17 PM

@M84: I mean, I don't think it'll really reassure people of anything of the sort. Like, the headlines go:

  • Guys what if Russian Hacking rigged the election?
  • We're having a recount because we think there might have been Russian Hacking.
  • Oh, wait, never mind, it was nothing.

It goes without saying that the third is the least attention grabbing, and therefore will get the least attention, doesn't it?

edited 27th Nov '16 7:43:20 PM by Gilphon

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#158928: Nov 27th 2016 at 7:42:45 PM

@M84: Whether stupidity or malice, if the incorrect count swayed Wisconsin then that's at least worth looking into. And if it happened in other places too, then maybe it's something to keep looking into.

It's been fun.
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#158929: Nov 27th 2016 at 7:43:42 PM

Impeachment for corruption: Given the amount of leeway politicians can get (Bridgegate, anyone?), yeah, it's not happening. But has anyone ever been impeached for having so many openings for foreign interests to gain leverage?

Recount being liberal birtherism: You'd have to find someone willing to insist that this was rigged in Trump's favor in less than legal means (i.e. ballot stuffing, destroying or tampering) as opposed to good old fashioned voter suppression. It's a Hail Mary, yes, but I doubt it's going to be a continuous effort the way voter suppression is.

More shit that didn't come out before the election, because lolemails. The more time passes the more I'm tempted to unperson people who claim the media was biased in Hillary's favor.

Also, since I recall someone mentioning a strike as a protest, I've seen calls for a general strike on January 20th. However, a lot of the people calling for it may have been those anarchist types who complained about neo-imperialism, voted Stein in a swing state and then realized they fucked up, so use your judgement.

EDIT: I think I would prefer to be anything but sober when I do get Stein's opinion on Corbyn.

edited 27th Nov '16 7:46:05 PM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#158930: Nov 27th 2016 at 7:45:39 PM

Isn't Cheney's shares in the oil and construction companies one of the reason that we invaded Iraq? (The official reason being WMD) You know so he could hand out contracts to his companies and make more money.

FieldMarshalFry Field Marshal of Cracked from World Internet War 1 Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Field Marshal of Cracked
#158931: Nov 27th 2016 at 7:46:01 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up]ever since Obama took office the Republican party has tried to prove he can't be president, they said he wasn't an American citizen, that he was Islamic (despite religion not making one fit or unfit to hold office), all sorts of crazy conspiracy theory shit, and now the Democrats are calling for recounts, and Hillary won the popular vote, the Republicans keep going on about how they "won" the election and that all this stuff is a conspiracy by the "liberal elite" to stop Trump, or that it is illegals voting! going into echo chambers and "safe spaces" where only their crazy is allowed, and Trump supporters are some of the most vocal about that being terrible and a bad thing, so I like to point out the irony in the most snarky, condescending way possible

edited 27th Nov '16 7:47:02 PM by FieldMarshalFry

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#158932: Nov 27th 2016 at 7:46:03 PM

Stein got so few votes, even if all of her votes had voted Clinton (rather than staying home, as many would have) Clinton would have still lost.

But the anarchist types, they likely voted Johnson, who DID have enough votes to swing things-but it's impossible to know what percentage of those would have voted Clinton in Johnson's absence.

[up] No, I mean about Sanders and Corbryn

edited 27th Nov '16 7:46:23 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#158933: Nov 27th 2016 at 7:46:49 PM

@Red Savant It would be a pretty big deal if the error in counting was enough to actually swing the state to HRC. But that's probably not going to happen. Even if it did, it would not be enough to swing the election.

Granted, it would be egg on Paul Ryan's face. tongue

edited 27th Nov '16 7:47:18 PM by M84

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JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#158934: Nov 27th 2016 at 7:48:17 PM

In America, impeachment is associated with Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton, and in both cases it was more a partisan political move.

Richard Nixon was facing impeachment but he decided to resign instead.

For Trump to be impeached, the evidence and blackmail material needs to be gathered as we speak by Republicans. They will probably unleash it some time next year, so to give Mike Pence three years and with enough time before Midterms to give them a united One-Party State.

edited 27th Nov '16 7:49:48 PM by JulianLapostat

FieldMarshalFry Field Marshal of Cracked from World Internet War 1 Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Field Marshal of Cracked
#158935: Nov 27th 2016 at 7:49:28 PM

Corbyn has stood by his values for decades over here, talking to the IRA which led to an end to The Troubles despite public and political opinion being against him, has campaigned for nuclear disarmament, was against Iraq, never compromising his values to fall in line with Blair and his bunch, and Sanders is the closest you lot are going to get to someone like him, simply because the US political system is an order of magnitude more corrupt than ours due to its sheer size and the amount of money at stake

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#158936: Nov 27th 2016 at 7:50:35 PM

Eh, I'm not so sure.

As long as Trump remains popular with his base, if Republicans act to impeach Trump, they're threatened with angering their base, which will see it as corruption being rampant in Washington because that's what Trump ran on.

It'd be kind of amusing if Republicans tried, and Trump in his typical "fuck you for backstabbing me" fashion decided to reach across the aisle to democrats.

[up] Either we're having entirely different conversations, or your logic doesn't follow. More money=/=corrupt ipso facto.

edited 27th Nov '16 7:51:36 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

FieldMarshalFry Field Marshal of Cracked from World Internet War 1 Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Field Marshal of Cracked
#158937: Nov 27th 2016 at 7:50:59 PM

if that is the case Julian, I would hate to be gay in the United States in the coming years, hell, if things continue they way they are they could probably apply for political asylum

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#158938: Nov 27th 2016 at 7:51:12 PM

I'm honestly getting really sick of the anarchist types (to borrow your phrasing and apply it loosely to many people on the far left side of the spectrum) making snide comments on my Facebook feed about how Hillary lost because she was too corrupt and didn't sway their little socialist hearts. In swing states, mind. Of course most of them are middle-class white hipsters who have nothing personal to fear from a Trump presidency.

It's been fun.
probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#158939: Nov 27th 2016 at 7:51:14 PM

Democrats should give Republicans as many ulcers as the latter did to the former during the Obama administration.

Plants are aliens, and fungi are nanomachines.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#158940: Nov 27th 2016 at 7:52:25 PM

The Republicans will only impeach Trump if he is caught doing something so blatantly awful, stupid, and dangerous that even his base would be reluctant to defend him.

@Red Savant

Agreed. IMHO, those wannabe V for Vendetta types can go fuck themselves.

edited 27th Nov '16 7:53:45 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#158941: Nov 27th 2016 at 7:52:43 PM

I am strongly opposed to democrats debasing themselves the way Republicans did. You don't get to claim to be the adult in the room if you cease acting like one.

Then again, maybe that's the problem; stop claiming to be the adult in the room and just be as corrupt as everyone else. Shift that overton window leftward.

FieldMarshalFry Field Marshal of Cracked from World Internet War 1 Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Field Marshal of Cracked
#158942: Nov 27th 2016 at 7:52:45 PM

Trump can do that himself, put him in a room with underage teenage girls and watch as he goes down for sex offences.....

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#158943: Nov 27th 2016 at 7:53:51 PM

@Probablyinsane: The thing is, we can't. The Republicans were able to deadlock Obama's initiatives and bog down the country because they had a Congressional majority, so they could just go 'hmm, nah' when he asked them to do things. Going into Trump's presidency, we're going to have a Republican-controlled Congress, and they'll kneel down and let him walk on their backs to pass whatever hateful legislation his advisors want.

@Impeachment talk: Like what? Everything that's been suggested here has already been done by Trump and people defended it until they were red in the face.

edited 27th Nov '16 7:54:45 PM by RedSavant

It's been fun.
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#158944: Nov 27th 2016 at 7:54:05 PM

Eh, Trump's voters are so inoculated against sex charge accusations, there's no way Trump would suffer serious backlash over it.

[up] Well, dems do currently have the ability to filibuster in the senate.

edited 27th Nov '16 7:54:33 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#158945: Nov 27th 2016 at 7:57:11 PM

[up][up] That's why I don't think an impeachment is likely. Though I have my fingers crossed. tongue

Disgusted, but not surprised
probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#158946: Nov 27th 2016 at 7:57:52 PM

[up][up][up] Atm, I am repressing the urge to blame the Democrats who didn't vote.

edited 27th Nov '16 7:58:04 PM by probablyinsane

Plants are aliens, and fungi are nanomachines.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#158947: Nov 27th 2016 at 8:00:27 PM

[up] Far as I'm concerned, any registered Democrat who didn't bother to vote for HRC in any state that wasn't deep Blue like California (keep in mind a lot of registered Democratic Californians voted for HRC anyway including yours truly) shares responsibility for Trump becoming POTUS.

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JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#158948: Nov 27th 2016 at 8:04:38 PM

Republicans impeaching Trump wouldn't upset Trump's base at all. Remember Trump's electorate included racist-revanchists but also regular Republicans who vote for the party and not for the candidate. And he lost the popular vote by a whopping big margin. So Trump has no real mandate. He won by fluke and everyone knows that.

If the Republican party impeach Trump, then they can expect windfall in the Midterm elections 2018 by voters who will say that the Republicans are the true party who purged their corrupt candidate while the Democrats never took a stand against Crooked Bill. And getting rid of Trump will even potentially sway some undecided voters and defectors from Democrats. Best part, Pence since he'd be completing Trump's term, has his own 8 years of Presidency ahead of him after that.

By that time, the Supreme Court could have a Conservative Supermajority barring a sleeper agent a la Eisenhower-Earl Warren.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#158949: Nov 27th 2016 at 8:07:13 PM

I kind of think that if Trump gets impeached, it won't be for his worst scandal or even a scandal that would bring down a typical politician.

Rather he will simply tick off the wrong people in the wrong way, and at a time when his traditional allies are too frustrated with him to defend him in any meaningful way.

JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#158950: Nov 27th 2016 at 8:11:29 PM

Well, Watergate wasn't even the worst thing Nixon did...and Bill Clinton got impeached for the weirdest perjury instance ever and general partisan psychopathy.

The key is not "why" to impeach, since reasons have a way of producing themselves. The key is when. "When the hurlyburly is done/and the battle is lost and won."


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