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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#158851: Nov 27th 2016 at 1:17:12 PM

More like SMD.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#158852: Nov 27th 2016 at 1:17:34 PM

That has been the general narrative that I've heard. 3 million illegal immigrants voted is usually the number and if you remove them then Trump won the popular vote by a huge margin too.

These people are completely reality proof.

Oh really when?
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#158853: Nov 27th 2016 at 1:19:54 PM

The problem with a Velvet Revolution is that it only works if the army aren't willing to shoot the protestors. Otherwise, you need to blow the regime up and hope that the new regime is better than the old.

carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#158854: Nov 27th 2016 at 1:22:43 PM

In other news, the Dakota pipeline protests are still growing larger, more protestors injured, and their main encampment again is being ordered to disperse. Since temps are falling well below freezing police have turned to using more water cannons and fire hoses to soak down tents and bodies and hoping hypothermia forces them out.

Army Corps of Engineers has apparently issued a poorly worded warning that said demonstrations would not be tolerated outside of state-designated "free speech zones".

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#158855: Nov 27th 2016 at 1:31:07 PM

Thanks, Obama.

(I've always been a fan/defender but don't get why he's letting the pipeline go through/not stopping this behavior.)

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#158856: Nov 27th 2016 at 1:42:05 PM

The art of the compromise; hold your nose and close your eyes. We want our leaders to save the day, but we don't get a say in what they trade away. We dream of a brand new start, but we dream in the dark for the most part.

Dark as a tomb where it happens. Obama's been in the room where it happens.

edited 27th Nov '16 1:43:00 PM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#158857: Nov 27th 2016 at 1:43:56 PM

Any major news over the past 24 hours that I may have missed?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#158858: Nov 27th 2016 at 1:45:38 PM

Trump is losing his mind on Twitter over the recounts. Has swallowed the "Hillary only won the popular vote because all the illegals voted" tripe.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#158859: Nov 27th 2016 at 1:51:56 PM

Because it's so hard for him to swallow that the cities, where most of the people in the US are, just plain don't like him.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#158860: Nov 27th 2016 at 1:52:03 PM

Are recounts officially happening anywhere besides Wisconsin? Because if not, this is purely an optics thing.

JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#158861: Nov 27th 2016 at 1:56:33 PM

Some articles note that the danger of the recounts is the Thomas Pynchon formula: "If you have them asking the wrong questions, you don't have to worry about the answers".

Trump's victory was rigged...but by gerrmandering, neo-Jim Crow voter-Id laws and so on. That is "quote unquote" legal rigging. If you can do that, why hack and fix the elections and add extra voters...and the danger of these recounts aside from wasting time and money, is that it could add to Trump's legitimacy and deter further debates on the crap that got him elected.

JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#158863: Nov 27th 2016 at 2:00:48 PM

Goes to show that Stare Decisis is a thing.

We're now going to find out how cynical the Republican party have been all along. They have been obstructionist BS artists for more than 20 years since Gingrich took the white house, huffing and puffing and making a partisan gridlock solely to command and control the white demographic, whose interests they don't give a damn about. Now they finally have a platform to do all the crap they promised and we'll find out how far they are really going to go.

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#158864: Nov 27th 2016 at 2:02:16 PM

Just as a hypothetical: IF the audits/recount were to find clear evidence of hacking in favor of Trump, what could happen?

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#158865: Nov 27th 2016 at 2:02:59 PM

Some serious shit ranging from Trump supporters rioting to Russia officially being declared an enemy of the United States.

Oh really when?
tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#158866: Nov 27th 2016 at 2:11:00 PM

@Deadbeatloser 22: Losing his mind? He lost it long ago. And he hasn't swallowed the tripe about illegals, he started it way before the election.

Trump delenda est
Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#158867: Nov 27th 2016 at 2:19:09 PM

[up][up][up]It seems far more likely to me that they will find out that thousands of votes were thrown out under dubious circumstances then any evidence of hacking.

As for whether the Republicans are going to go through with their ideology if no one else Paul Ryan seems gunho with dismantling the social safety, starting with getting rid of the ACA and turning Medicare into (ironically) into a healthcare exchange with vouchers.

It remains to be seen how many other Republicans want to go through with this, but I imagine there will be quite a few at least.

edited 27th Nov '16 2:19:59 PM by Mio

JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#158868: Nov 27th 2016 at 2:19:46 PM

Well if, and its a huge IF...evidence is found (which I am sure it won't)...America will break off all diplomatic relations with Russia, call its ambassador and shut down its embassy there. They will also try and get Russia kicked out of its special veto in UNSC...and that could lead to Bay of Pigs 2: This time It's Personal and you could see a NATO-Russia war or the stirrings of that. Trying to remove Russia from UNSC will be catastrophic because that's a Balance of Power that China and France want to maintain. China is the one major power in the world that 1) Likes the status-quo, 2) Wants no wars to destabilize it. So there will be incredible tensions for a few years or so...but no war I think (and hope).m

Domestically, there will be huge outrage and potential riots...because Trump-voters energized by the vision of seeing their toxic hatred legitimized will see this as a plot, and you could see militia attacks and violence. Best case, a few isolated shootings and mass murder...worst case...a second Draft Riots incident...total worst case, another civil war.

Obama might have to declare a state of emergency and Congress will have to decide whether to make Hillary President, or to conserve US institutions in a time of crisis, extend Obama's term for another 4 years and say the Election of 2016 was compromised because of vote hackings and was indecisive and they're going for the last guy who won both the EC and Popular Vote. That would be the pragmatic move domestically and globally.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#158869: Nov 27th 2016 at 2:23:01 PM

If there was undeniable evidence of Russia tampering with the US election that gave Trump the win....

Fuck.

Tensions between the two countries would almost instantly be at Cuban Missile Crisis levels.

At the very least, the US would sanction Russia's economy back to the stone age.

New Survey coming this weekend!
Ingonyama Since: Jan, 2001
#158870: Nov 27th 2016 at 2:30:34 PM

@ Hodor 2 158827: From what I understand, Congress passed some resolution saying Obama can't make any more regulations or orders before his term ends, or something like that. I don't know why he didn't do anything before now, but it seems now he can't even if he wants to.

edited 27th Nov '16 2:30:51 PM by Ingonyama

FieldMarshalFry Field Marshal of Cracked from World Internet War 1 Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Field Marshal of Cracked
#158871: Nov 27th 2016 at 2:30:56 PM

good... good... blame the Russians... there is no way the hacking is actually a plot by the British Empire to destabilise the United States and regain our colonies *insert evil laugh here*

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#158872: Nov 27th 2016 at 2:34:42 PM

'Cause when push, comes to shove, I will hack your votes and ballots... to remind you of my love waii

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#158873: Nov 27th 2016 at 2:56:19 PM

Honestly, I'm not sure there was any real hacking going on with the elections either. You'd think if there were, Trump or whoever else would be doing a lot more to keep the recount from coming to pass, but as is, they just seem to be chilling and sitting pretty. And you'd also think if there was any hacking involved, we'd already have found about it by now instead of having to do a fricking recount, so there's that.

edited 27th Nov '16 3:01:43 PM by kkhohoho

carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#158874: Nov 27th 2016 at 2:57:26 PM

And not to forget Obama himself saying US cyber security would be closely monitoring things and would have retaliated if they confirmed it.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#158875: Nov 27th 2016 at 3:04:26 PM

I think that if there was any hacking involved- which is a huge if- Trump wasn't directly involved- quite possibly not even aware of it.

Also, 538 says that the average swing from recounts is two orders of magnitude too small to flip even the closest state here. The Florida recount in 2000 was the biggest ever, but even that's 1/10 of what we'd need to change any state.

If you squint and interpret the data selectively, you can make a case for there being precedent for a swing big enough to flip Michigan, but no such luck for Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. They would have to be strong evidence of hacking for the recount to matter.


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