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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#158626: Nov 26th 2016 at 12:51:45 PM

[up] Didn't Stein actively endorse Trump by the end?

henry42 [REDACTED] from Western Hemisphere Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
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#158627: Nov 26th 2016 at 12:53:20 PM

[up] No.

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#158628: Nov 26th 2016 at 12:54:27 PM

^So all she did was push the 'they're both just as bad' false equivalence.

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Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
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#158629: Nov 26th 2016 at 12:54:43 PM

There's a lot to admire about Germany, but I'd question the narrative that they 'learned their lesson' from past wars and became a better nation directly because of it. Sure, they may not be invading anyone lately, but why invade when you can control them via the much less messy means of economic domination? And as with most of that region, Germany's seeing a sharp rise in hate crimes. Their cultural sensitivity to the topic hasn't particularly made them any more immune to it than the rest of Europe.

We could steal a lot of good ideas from Germany, but a silver bullet versus white nationalism is not something they've developed.

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
henry42 [REDACTED] from Western Hemisphere Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
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#158630: Nov 26th 2016 at 12:56:56 PM

@RedSavant It shouldn't come as a surprise that a third-party candidate despises both major parties.

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Yinyang107 from the True North (Decatroper) Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
#158631: Nov 26th 2016 at 12:57:06 PM

currently projections have the Canadian dollar dropping to 70 cents USD at least in 2017

Nuts.

henry42 [REDACTED] from Western Hemisphere Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
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#158632: Nov 26th 2016 at 1:02:14 PM

Jokes aside, I wouldn't recommend running away to Canada. If you're privileged enough that you can afford to leave the country at the drop of a hat, you probably aren't among the people who are actually in danger from a Trump presidency.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#158633: Nov 26th 2016 at 1:11:34 PM

So now Trump too is accusing the recount thing of being a scam.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#158634: Nov 26th 2016 at 1:13:21 PM

@Henry 42: No, but it also doesn't absolve her of standing back and throwing doubt at a qualified, generally fairly standard politician when the alternative was Donald Trump's fascist circus ring. The Green Party should focus on getting its message out on local levels of government instead of popping its head out of its hole every four years to kneecap the Democratic candidate for President and scuttle back into the shadows with 1% of the popular vote.

As people have noted, our presidential system is first past the post. That means that it was always going to be Hillary or Trump, and it will always be either a Democrat or a Republican until a third party is consistently starting to poll around 30%. I don't doubt that some people (at least a dozen, maybe) who weren't going to vote went to vote for Stein, so that's all well and good, but comments like that promote false equivalency and increase voter apathy. And if she convinced people not to vote for Hillary or not to vote at all by promoting the 'two evils' narrative, then she did directly contribute to Hillary's loss.

Let me put it this way - if Donald Trump mocking a disabled man, a dead veteran, etc. on national TV didn't sway Trump voters away from him, a Jill Stein interview on C-SPAN sure as hell didn't do it. What she did do was give a bunch of young stronger-left voters and people who were bitter about Bernie's loss in the primaries more reason to dislike Hillary.

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#158635: Nov 26th 2016 at 1:15:56 PM

Re: Can the recount matter: Wisconsin alone can't. If the recounts also happens is Pennsylvania and Michigan, and it flips all three in Hillary's favour, that would matter.

Re: Stein asking for more money: 2 million was what was needed for Wisconsin. She needs more for the other two states.note 

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#158637: Nov 26th 2016 at 1:18:23 PM

There are also people trying to push Florida to do a recount, because some of the numbers from there supposedly looked pretty dodgy as well.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#158638: Nov 26th 2016 at 1:21:24 PM

So....Tulsi Gabbard has been endorsed by David Duke to be Secretary of State.

Seriously

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#158639: Nov 26th 2016 at 1:22:59 PM

Can you post the full thing so I don't have to click on his site?

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#158640: Nov 26th 2016 at 1:25:10 PM

[up][up]You might want to edit that link out or find a news site that is summarizing the story. I don't think linking to extremist sites, even if its to say how crazy/wrong/evil they are, is allowed.

edited 26th Nov '16 1:28:13 PM by Rationalinsanity

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#158641: Nov 26th 2016 at 1:25:34 PM

It's not like Canada's government is saintly either. Harper was pretty much the Canadian Bush, which speaks for itself.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#158642: Nov 26th 2016 at 1:29:47 PM

[up]Harper wasn't Trump though, and even he did a decent job at marginalizing the extremists within his own party. And the Tories have made a decent effort to move towards the center on a lot of issues. A few bad apples aside, namely a certain Trump fangirl...

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Yinyang107 from the True North (Decatroper) Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
#158643: Nov 26th 2016 at 1:31:47 PM

The worst part of this election, to me, is that I'll feel most of the effects of Trump's presidency without getting to vote against him.

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#158644: Nov 26th 2016 at 1:36:31 PM

See for yourself. No, that is not made up.

In fairness, anyone who expected a faithless vote or even a courteous response from a Texas Republican was probably setting themselves up for disappointment.

Regarding the Recount

I don't want to get my hopes up, but godspeed, Jill Stein. You helped put us in this mess, but if you can get us out of it, then we cool.

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#158645: Nov 26th 2016 at 1:36:43 PM

[up][up][up]Mhm. I didn't like Harper, but he was leagues better than Trump and I always felt that he was more competent than Bush.

[up]The cynical part of me says that's why she's doing this. That she doesn't think it'll work, but that it will make a lot of people look more favourably upon her.

edited 26th Nov '16 1:48:53 PM by Gilphon

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#158646: Nov 26th 2016 at 1:47:59 PM

It probably is. But regardless of the why, it will put to rest a lot of concerns about those three states, especially with the Clinton campaign now stepping in to oversee it.

Which, I think, is why the Clinton team is doing it. I doubt anyone harbors any expectations of successfully flipping the election through the recount, but if nothing else, it'll be good to have an answer as to whether Russia hacked the polls.

Because IF there was any foul play going on, it was undoubtedly Russia. And Hell, I would stake 80% odds that if Russia did hack the election, even Trump probably doesn't even know about it. He's a tool to Putin, not a partner.

But that's IF.

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henry42 [REDACTED] from Western Hemisphere Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
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#158647: Nov 26th 2016 at 1:55:31 PM

@RedSavant Most Stein voters already had a low opinion of Clinton, and probably wouldn't have voted for her anyway.

The Green Party should focus on getting its message out on local levels of government...

They do; the media just ignore it. Like with other minor parties, their presidential runs are just to generate publicity for local races.

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#158648: Nov 26th 2016 at 2:17:37 PM

You don't fight that by not facing reality and not confronting facts and you do everyone a disservice by letting people pass the buck. Remember trump didn't get the popular vote, his electorate is a shrinking demographic, so there's no need for any white flag or truce.

Listen up real careful. This ain't about white flags, truces, or capitulations. Hell, don't give an inch in actual policies. This isn't about giving ground. This is about talking to your opponents, like they're fucking human beings, instead of lumping them all into one basket, and painting them in with one fat brush. Let alone lord your smarts, your culture, your enlightenment over them. It won't fucking matter that they're a shrinking demographic, if after a win like this the Republicans change the rules so that they never lose again. You can't count on people just dying out or being outbred. In fact, that's a horrible mindset; how about showing some humanity and compassion instead?

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#158649: Nov 26th 2016 at 2:19:58 PM

In fact, that's a horrible mindset; how about showing some humanity and compassion instead?

Nope.

These people fucked over humanity for generations, because of their hate and ignorance.

They'll never EVER get any sympathy from me.

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vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#158650: Nov 26th 2016 at 2:22:56 PM

How is that hate and disdain gaining you white rural votes, eh, comrade?


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