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Izeinsummer Since: Jun, 2013
#158351: Nov 24th 2016 at 2:28:59 PM

kkhohoho: Because Stein collected the money successfully, and thus has no choice but to file for a recount. There is no way for those states to deny her one, either. She's on the ballot and has the money.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#158352: Nov 24th 2016 at 2:30:33 PM

Thing is the Electoral College wasn't designed to prevent a popularity strongman, that's a post fact false justification. It was designed to give rural voters a stronger voice then urban ones, and in that it succeeded like never before.

edited 24th Nov '16 2:33:54 PM by Silasw

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#158353: Nov 24th 2016 at 2:37:45 PM

[up][up]Excellent!

I say we should hear the people's voice! (OH!)
For the country is facing a difficult choice! (OH!)
And if you were to ask me who I'd promote—(OH!)
let's go and recount your votes!

[up]God, I hate Jefferson so much.

Dude was a winner when it came to getting his way, but a loser when it came to upholding his (utopian bullshit) principles.

edited 24th Nov '16 2:39:40 PM by TheHandle

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Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#158354: Nov 24th 2016 at 2:42:27 PM

Say what you want about third parties, but it's still on the Dems for assassinating the chances of the only plausible candidate they had to foster the coronation fantasy of a politician so thoroughly reviled (deservedly or not) by much of country that she was starting behind.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#158355: Nov 24th 2016 at 2:45:32 PM

No. It's not. Sanders was not a reasonable alternative, and that myth needs to die. He lost the nomination because he could not win over sufficient voters, and the narrative that the DNC somehow stopped him from winning the nomination is the very sort of post-fact, Wikileaks based BS that those of us on the rational left are supposed to be immune to.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#158356: Nov 24th 2016 at 2:46:28 PM

From what I understand, the party's best chance would have been Biden, if he was willing to go for it.

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#158357: Nov 24th 2016 at 2:47:08 PM

Because Hillary sure got the voters out...

"Do we go with the flawed candidate, or do we give our opponents a loaded gun? Hard choices"

edited 24th Nov '16 2:48:11 PM by Lanceleoghauni

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#158358: Nov 24th 2016 at 2:54:01 PM

Sanders would have had worse minority turnout than Clinton, and could have galvanized the right to turn out.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#158359: Nov 24th 2016 at 2:55:17 PM

There's a fair bit of blame to go around, however right now people seem to be largely throwing it at the bits of the party they didn't like anyway.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#158360: Nov 24th 2016 at 2:57:00 PM

lot of its still the media. Cataloging the donald's latest crimes every 5 minutes.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#158361: Nov 24th 2016 at 3:13:20 PM

There are voices in the Trump circle suggesting he look at other candidates, such as retired Gen. David Petraeus, who said Wednesday he would be open to a job in the Trump administration. Petraeus is highly regarded by leaders in both parties on Capitol Hill, but his 2015 guilty plea to a misdemeanor charge of mishandling classified information could complicate an appointment.
Trump potentially hiring a guy who leaked classified information willingly.

The hypocrisy of the right wing never ceases to amaze me

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korben600 Since: Apr, 2016
#158362: Nov 24th 2016 at 3:37:08 PM

Hey, does anybody know how likely it is for the recount to sway the votes? Is there precedence for this?

tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#158363: Nov 24th 2016 at 3:40:40 PM

[up]x6 She did get the voters out, or are you forgetting that she won the popular vote by the greatest margin in US history?

Trump delenda est
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#158364: Nov 24th 2016 at 3:41:47 PM

[up][up]Sway votes how? The voting is over.

Oh really when?
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#158365: Nov 24th 2016 at 3:45:31 PM

I blame exactly one group: The one who couldn't be assed to take any interest in what happened in their country and didn't bother to vote. I mean, I get it...it is often the choice between pest and cholera. But voting is not just a right, it is also a privilege and a responsibility. It is pretty pointless to spread around blame, because there are exactly two groups responsible for Trump: The ones who voted for him and the ones who didn't vote against him. And the first group at least did what they thought was right, as misguided as they were. But the second group, they failed their country.

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#158366: Nov 24th 2016 at 3:56:24 PM

democratic votes are still down from previous elections, despite the stakes being higher. Unless she's made back that 4-6 million vote deficit since I last saw it.

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probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#158367: Nov 24th 2016 at 3:57:29 PM

Oh God. This election.

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Izeinsummer Since: Jun, 2013
#158368: Nov 24th 2016 at 4:00:08 PM

[up][up][up][up] and[up][up]The recount is only going to matter if it uncovers evidence of voting machine hacking. In which case the reported margins and results are fictional. (.. well somewhat fictional. You can only fake the numbers by so much before it becomes blatantly obvious)

edited 24th Nov '16 4:01:02 PM by Izeinsummer

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#158369: Nov 24th 2016 at 4:01:06 PM
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Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#158370: Nov 24th 2016 at 4:03:33 PM

Even if it changes nothing, I hope that the recount shows the democrats that there are a lot of Americans desperate for leadership. There's a lot that can be done, still, but without the people actually /in the government/ leading the charge it's all for naught. To change things without the government working with you requires violence, and I really REALLY do not want to see us get to that point.

Admittedly, without a majority there's a serious disadvantage, but I really want to believe that something can be done.

edited 24th Nov '16 4:04:31 PM by Lanceleoghauni

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#158371: Nov 24th 2016 at 4:14:22 PM

At this point, I don't think even evidence of Russian hacking would break the Republicans' support. He's their cipher now.

It's been fun.
henry42 [REDACTED] from Western Hemisphere Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
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#158372: Nov 24th 2016 at 4:41:42 PM

@AmbarSonofDeshar I'm aware that the situation in Syria is very complicated, and that Assad has done some very nasty things. It's just that I don't trust the motives of the US in intervening, and I'm not convinced that it's actually making the situation any better.

But I'm done talking about imperialism. It's clearly flame bait in this thread.

edited 24th Nov '16 4:42:25 PM by henry42

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#158373: Nov 24th 2016 at 4:47:38 PM

Surely it'd be better than letting the Russians do as they please.

Oh really when?
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#158374: Nov 24th 2016 at 4:58:38 PM

You would think so, but a bunch of Republicans who also said they wouldn't ever support Trump have soft-spined on that too, so.

It's been fun.
henry42 [REDACTED] from Western Hemisphere Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
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#158375: Nov 24th 2016 at 5:01:35 PM

I'm confused — are you guys talking about electoral fraud, or the Syrian Civil War?

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