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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#158276: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:00:28 AM

Hardly an improvement. The Libertarians are economic voodoo incarnate, while the Greens' involves pseudo-science, economically cripplingly military cut backs, and letting Russia and China go on a rampage (and probably dismantling MAD, unilaterally).

They were worse than the GOP in cases.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#158277: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:03:17 AM

Clinton planned to do a lot of things I don't like, too. I wouldn't want to have that on my conscience either.
And Trump didn't? Or if you acknowledge he did, are you saying that what Clinton had been planning to do was just as bad as/worse than what Trump said he was planning to do?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#158278: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:03:23 AM
Thumped: Wow. That was rude. Too many of this kind of thump will bring a suspension. Please keep it civil.
henry42 [REDACTED] from Western Hemisphere Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
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#158279: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:04:14 AM

@LeGarcon Like escalating the Syrian Civil War, and doing fuck-all to regulate Wall St., for starters. Also, I'm not convinced that she actually opposes the TPP or TTIP.

One does not shake the box containing the sticky notes of doom!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#158280: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:04:21 AM

Seeing the so called "reasons" listed makes it even more frustrating...Clinton barely had anything to do with most of the so called scandals, and they are actually nothing compared to what Trump alone has done during the campaign. Calling someone deplorable? Compare this with racist remarks, sexist bragging and openly admitting to have used a loophole in order to escape tax payments for years. The Clinton Foundation? Compare this to using charity money to commission a painting and in general funnelling money which is supposed to be used for social causes back into your own company by paying your own subsidiaries for overpriced services. E Mails? Compare that to Trump university. Blaming Putin? Compare that to blaming the press and encouraging your followers to harass people because they dared to speak up for you.

Those packages there are drawn way too big.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#158281: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:05:39 AM

The whole deplorables thing is idiotic and is basically how some people think being called a racist is worse than actual racism.

If it was a mistake it was because Clinton failed to realize that, but I doubt it would have made a difference.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#158282: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:06:34 AM

I hope the whole Trumpency (Get it?note ) implodes upon itself within the first year through chronic infighting and backstabbing.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#158283: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:06:43 AM

And that's someone worse than Trump's party calling for war with Iran, dismantling the social safety net, leaving the Paris Accords, threatening the post WW 2 balance of power, letting parents torture their children, and appointing Supreme Court Justices that will cock block progressive reform for a generation?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
henry42 [REDACTED] from Western Hemisphere Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
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#158284: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:06:58 AM

@Rationalinsanity The third-party candidates had their flaws too, but I certainly liked the fact that they weren't total warhawks.

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henry42 [REDACTED] from Western Hemisphere Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
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#158286: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:08:28 AM

@Draghinazzo It was a mistake, because she claimed they made up half of his supporters, when it was really just a Vocal Minority. Most of them were people who could be reasoned with, but instead, she just decided to write them all off.

edited 24th Nov '16 10:10:30 AM by henry42

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#158287: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:09:10 AM

No, they were cowards and isolationists. If the US withdraws from the world, worse actors will step in and replace it. And Stein was a pro-Putin hypocrite.

Clinton's assertive but rational foreign policy (and her actual experience in the damn field) was the best path to global stability. Letting Russia and China get too confident is a bigger risk than a possible no-fly zone over Syria.

edited 24th Nov '16 10:09:57 AM by Rationalinsanity

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#158288: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:13:07 AM

I actually think that we are better served if we treat lightly with China and try to pull it on our side with the proper incentives...but leave that to the EU, they are working on it. Russia is the problem, because Putin is practically in a race with the EU...it needs to fall apart before Russia does.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#158289: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:13:13 AM

According to Keith Olbermann (a guy whose detractors call the left-wing version of Glenn Beck), Clinton was wrong about the fraction of Trump supporters who are deplorable:

Disgusted, but not surprised
henry42 [REDACTED] from Western Hemisphere Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
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#158290: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:16:09 AM

@RationalInsanity Hillary's "assertive but rational foreign policy" was just imperialism with a human face.

One does not shake the box containing the sticky notes of doom!
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#158291: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:16:19 AM

Trump's supporters either embraced Trump's bile, or tolerated it. I can't fault Keith for that view, as unproductive as it is. Gotta win a few of them over in 2018/2020, which means a carrot approach for them and a stick approach for the hardcore base and Trump himself.

[up]Imperialism? Do you know even know the definition of that word? What was she planning on conquering? How does stopping the biggest mass murderer since Milosevic (Assad) count as imperialism? How does containing Russia, which is acting in an imperialistic manner, count as imperialism?

If anything, Trump, Stein and Johnson were promoting imperialism, by tolerating Russia's actions (and invading a compliant Iran in Trump's case).

edited 24th Nov '16 10:18:44 AM by Rationalinsanity

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#158292: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:19:34 AM

[up] All international relations are dictated by imperialism. Just because you don't have your country's name there on a map, doesn't mean you don't effectively control a region.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#158293: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:22:52 AM

After the last vid Keith Olbermann posted I am wondering if Pence is just laying in wait to usurp Donald Trump.

henry42 [REDACTED] from Western Hemisphere Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
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#158294: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:24:23 AM

@RationalInsanity

...Stein and Johnson were promoting imperialism , by tolerating Russia's actions...
So, not wanting to respond to Russian imperialism with American imperialism makes you an imperialist? [lol]

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#158295: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:27:39 AM

Don't put words in my mouth. Refusing to stop imperialism makes them tolerant of it, and guaranteeing the independence of your allies isn't imperialism.

Question, do you see NATO as an imperialist organization?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#158296: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:27:46 AM

In the same way that saying 'let's just let the KKK do whatever they want' makes you a racist.

edited 24th Nov '16 10:28:26 AM by Gilphon

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#158297: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:29:11 AM

[up][up][up] It makes you an idiot. If you're the kind of person who thinks that no nation should ever send military forces to another nation, ever, then the ideology still doesn't make sense because Russia will happily do that in our absence if we abandon the world stage. "I believe in pacifism", says the pacifist, walking past five muggings and a rape in progress. "Nor will I call the police because the police will use violence."

Regardless, even if you buy the "imperialist" thing, which is malarkey, comparing the desire to contain ISIS, oppose Russian imperialism, and stop Assad from murdering his own people with the desire to invade Iran, abandon our treaty commitments, massively increase our military for no overtly stated reason, and let Putin run rampant over his sphere of influence is kind of insane.

And all that totally ignores the domestic angle, which is really what this election pivoted on, and such minor items as climate change.

edited 24th Nov '16 10:30:13 AM by Fighteer

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#158298: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:32:11 AM

[up] Don't forget Trump's ideas of starting trade wars with Mexico (to get them to pay for his stupid wall) and China.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#158299: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:33:07 AM

Hang on, surely climate change is the one issue that the Green Party can be guaranteed to be on the right side of.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#158300: Nov 24th 2016 at 10:34:05 AM

Like escalating the Syrian Civil War, and doing fuck-all to regulate Wall St., for starters. Also, I'm not convinced that she actually opposes the TPP or TTIP.

Oh.

my.

Fucking.

GOD.

This. THIS is the fucking bullshit that annoyed the shit out of me all throughout the primary and general.

Escalating the Syria War? The situation in that region is so mind mumblingly complex you could write an entire College level course on it and you still wouldn't be able to get to all the nitty ditty details.

Wall Street? You do realize that she's never ever, EVER voted for any pro-Wall Street bills and largely she's been seen as a Senator as hands off, neutral towards them. She never served on any Banking Committees, nor has she voted in favor of deregulating them. In fact, she called the financial crisis of 2008 a full TWO YEARS before it happened and her concerns fell on deaf ears by both the Bush administrations, her colleagues, and industry insiders. And lo and behold, everything she said would come true if they weren't reigned in actually happens in spades.

But you know, fuck it. We're living in a post-fact world now.

New Survey coming this weekend!

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