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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#158251: Nov 24th 2016 at 8:49:14 AM

The deplorables thing lasted as long as it did because Trump's Know-Nothing supporters gleefully adopted it as their moniker.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#158252: Nov 24th 2016 at 8:53:01 AM

[up][up][up]Yes, that was also a really big problem, but everything I've heard indicates that Hillary is unpopular in general thanks to all the scandals and people perceiving her as "artificial". Combined with Trump it created a climate of voter apathy and a low turnout in general.

[up][up]It's been long established that most people consider being called a racist to be worse than the possibility of actual racism that might have happened and often does.

Like I've been saying, apathy and ignorance often achieve the same results as malice. Most of the rural voters/people in dead towns across flyover country just said "nobody's perfect" and kept making excuses for him when confronted with his inappropriate behavior.

edited 24th Nov '16 8:54:00 AM by Draghinazzo

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#158253: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:15:03 AM

Trump openly admitted to committing sexual assault, turned around and blamed the victims, practically bragged about it, and nearly half the electorate (including a ton of women and "moral" Republicans and Evangelicals) voted for him anyway. And a few hundred thousand people in swing states couldn't be arsed to stop said rapist, because of "principals"/apathy/laziness (though voter suppression was probably in play, we'll need to see the research on that).

Anyone who didn't vote for Clinton is going to be indirectly responsible for a lot blood, tears and agony.

edited 24th Nov '16 9:15:11 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#158254: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:20:29 AM

and nearly half the electorate (including a ton of women and "moral" Republicans and Evangelicals) voted for him anyway.
Correction: Half of the portion of the electorate that bothered to vote at all... which is roughly half the actual electorate.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#158255: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:23:11 AM

And the assholes that didn't vote/voted third party STILL won't accept responsibility for their actions.

"DNC shouldn't have nominated Clinton/rigged the primary against Sanders."

FUCK OFF.

Democratic VOTERS chose Clinton. The DNC isn't some omnipotent organization.

New Survey coming this weekend!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#158256: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:28:49 AM

I only know that I am convinced that Trump is at the very least a narcissist, if not a sociopath, and if I had been allowed to vote, I would have picked any random guy from the street over him as long as he was able to actually talk about the issues at hand instead of attacking other people on a personal level.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#158257: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:30:17 AM

[up][up][up]Hence my next sentence. Trump could have easily been stopped, if tens of thousands of more people in a few states had voted for Clinton.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#158258: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:31:28 AM

[up][up][up] Wasn't it established that Sanders in general polled better than Clinton in the hypothetical popular vote?

I'm just curious when was the vote on DMC's candidate conducted, is all, and what kind of form it took.

[up] Well, with the talk about the election being rigged, but in Trump's favor, everything seems possible.

I am of cautious optimism, if only because I don't have much else left on the debate.

edited 24th Nov '16 9:32:23 AM by FergardStratoavis

carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#158259: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:34:14 AM

Wilbur Ross is expected to be Trump's pick for Commerce Secretary.

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#158260: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:35:18 AM

A look at the cabinet and conflicts of interest, so far. More by the day, but I'm not Superman.

Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
Blueeyedrat Since: Oct, 2010
#158261: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:43:00 AM

Trump's pick for Secretary of Education, Betsy DeVos, has never attended public school, and has ties to the Acton Institute, which advocates for literal child labor. God help us all.

henry42 [REDACTED] from Western Hemisphere Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
[REDACTED]
#158262: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:44:43 AM

@TacticalFox88

And the assholes that didn't vote/voted third party STILL won't accept responsibility for their actions.
Goddammit, it's like you guys actually believe that abstaining/voting third party is literally the same thing as voting for Trump.

One does not shake the box containing the sticky notes of doom!
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#158263: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:46:35 AM

In a FPTP system? It is. Mathematically.

Period.

They can try and justify their bullshit vote for Stein or Johnson, but it doesn't absolve them of responsibility.

New Survey coming this weekend!
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#158264: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:47:16 AM

If it was a popular vote then no but with our current first past the post way of doing things and awarding delegates, yes it is.

[nja]

edited 24th Nov '16 9:47:24 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
henry42 [REDACTED] from Western Hemisphere Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
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#158265: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:50:30 AM

Haven't you even considered why so many voters abandoned the Democrats in the first place?

edited 24th Nov '16 9:53:14 AM by henry42

One does not shake the box containing the sticky notes of doom!
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#158266: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:52:53 AM

Can't help but notice almost all of those are labeled with things that weren't actually problems and were generally fabricated by Republicans.

Oh really when?
henry42 [REDACTED] from Western Hemisphere Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
[REDACTED]
#158267: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:53:56 AM

[up] I'm pretty sure the DAPL wasn't fabricated by Republicans.

One does not shake the box containing the sticky notes of doom!
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#158268: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:54:20 AM

At end of the day, Trump won. So if you did not vote for Clinton, and you object to anything his administration does over the next four years, yes, it is on you. As voters, it's up to us to become informed about politics, economics, and other things enough to understand what it is that we're voting for (and against). It's like you expect the parties and the media to drip-feed you candidates and sell you on them, like brands of toothpaste or pizza restaurants.

Heck, if you voted third party as a "protest", without actually examining their platforms or candidates, you're exactly as bloody-mindedly sheeple-like as you accuse the major party voters of being.

edited 24th Nov '16 9:56:37 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#158269: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:55:01 AM

The third parties had plenty of things that, in a just and reasonable world, would have had the electorate write them off. Like their platforms for starters.

[up][tup]

edited 24th Nov '16 9:55:18 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#158270: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:56:15 AM

[up][up][up]Pretty sure it was actually. Literally. It was largely backed and built by Republicans and their donors.

edited 24th Nov '16 9:56:36 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#158271: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:57:58 AM

It's like you expect the parties and the media to drip-feed you candidates and sell you on them, like brands of toothpaste or pizza restaurants.

Unfortunately, it looks like the democratic party is going to have to do that going forward.

In a post-facts world, reasonable policies and becoming informed about the candidates don't mean anything. Personal feelings and the ability to SOUND convincing trump all. (No Pun Intended)

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#158272: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:58:27 AM

Apparently Trump's base is really pissed about Romney possibly getting State.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
henry42 [REDACTED] from Western Hemisphere Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
[REDACTED]
#158273: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:58:33 AM

@Fighteer Clinton planned to do a lot of things I don't like, too. I wouldn't want to have that on my conscience either.

Heck, if you voted third party as a "protest", without actually examining their platforms or candidates...

As a matter of fact, I did examine their platforms.

edited 24th Nov '16 9:58:48 AM by henry42

One does not shake the box containing the sticky notes of doom!
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#158274: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:59:14 AM

[up][up]Well, that just makes me want Ronmey as State all the more.tongue

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#158275: Nov 24th 2016 at 9:59:22 AM

[up][up]Like what?

edited 24th Nov '16 9:59:30 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?

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