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Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#158226: Nov 24th 2016 at 3:17:19 AM

I voted for hillary, despite my intense dislike of her. My whopping 1/5th of a personhood did jack shit to change the course of things from my already deep blue state because the electoral college is king.

edited 24th Nov '16 3:17:59 AM by Lanceleoghauni

"Coffee! Coffeecoffeecoffee! Coffee! Not as strong as Meth-amphetamine, but it lets you keep your teeth!"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#158227: Nov 24th 2016 at 3:26:16 AM

As a registered Californian, I voted for HRC. I actually don't feel bad about that — I found the Democratic platform something I could support for the next four years, and I had to give props to HRC for having the guts to weather decades of witch hunts.

edited 24th Nov '16 3:26:48 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Superdark33 The dark Mage of the playground from Playgrounds and Adventures Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
The dark Mage of the playground
#158228: Nov 24th 2016 at 3:27:40 AM

As i saw in a tweet, Jill Stein may be Gollum, Saving us all while biting the hand that feeds her.

edited 24th Nov '16 3:27:55 AM by Superdark33

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#158229: Nov 24th 2016 at 4:09:36 AM

I easily voted for HRC. Not just because I'm a Democrat, but because there was only two real choices. A bigot or a competent person. HRC was the competent one. The choice was beyond easy. Wasn't even a case of "lesser of two evils" either. There's one evil and one good in this circumstance. I also didn't buy into all that scandal bull either. She did nothing worth worrying about in the first place. It's all media overexaggeration.

Shadow?
Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#158230: Nov 24th 2016 at 4:45:51 AM

I'm just not fond of neoliberals.

"Coffee! Coffeecoffeecoffee! Coffee! Not as strong as Meth-amphetamine, but it lets you keep your teeth!"
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#158231: Nov 24th 2016 at 4:48:21 AM

I think to many people thought that where is smoke there is also fire...I felt that the Clinton family has been under investigation for years now, and they never found anything of substance. They are either even more clever than Xanathos, or this was just engineered by the Republicans to take out a competitor. I lean towards the latter scenario.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#158232: Nov 24th 2016 at 4:51:22 AM

Neither am I.

The USA should have something like a Tribune of the Please, but for representing the other countries, especially the developing ones.

It would be nice if they could, say, filibuster an Iraq War thing, for example, but I would be content with them having a voice.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#158233: Nov 24th 2016 at 4:55:05 AM

I can't see other countries having a say ever flying in the current political climate.

"Coffee! Coffeecoffeecoffee! Coffee! Not as strong as Meth-amphetamine, but it lets you keep your teeth!"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#158234: Nov 24th 2016 at 5:14:21 AM

@Swanpride

Definitely the latter. The GOP has held a grudge against the Clintons for a while. Hillary being part of the Watergate investigation team was the start. Shit really hit the fan when Bill Clinton made H.W. Bush a one term POTUS. The GOP never got over that.

edited 24th Nov '16 5:14:33 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#158235: Nov 24th 2016 at 5:38:31 AM

Man, they're petty.

... Any news since about 12 hours ago when I went to sleep?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#158236: Nov 24th 2016 at 5:57:19 AM

  • A sub-garbage tier suggestion on how Democrats can win in 2018/2020.
  • Nope, automation cannot be undone.
  • Some guy rapping.
  • Jill Stein is trying to fund a recount. Yes, really, that fuckwit.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#158237: Nov 24th 2016 at 5:58:30 AM

USA, please don't make Trump a 2-term POTUS.

Plants are aliens, and fungi are nanomachines.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#158238: Nov 24th 2016 at 6:02:10 AM

I mean, you guys are never going to live down electing Trump once. But if you elected him again, especially if you gave him the popular vote....

edited 24th Nov '16 6:02:23 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#158239: Nov 24th 2016 at 6:23:28 AM

A second term is impossible, The Cursed Year is almost over...right??? -cries-

Trump calling for unity feels like when your SO gaslights you. "No baby, your the one who's been trying to pull us apart"

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#158241: Nov 24th 2016 at 7:44:01 AM

Every time I wake up I still can't believe it.

Yet...I can't even IMAGINE how Hillary herself feels. She spent 30 years of her goddamn life being a public servant. Making mistakes along the way, yes, but still moving forward, always (like Pop from Luke Cage), despite the GOP trying to tear her down every step of the way. She graduated with honors from Yale, a very politically active First Lady of Arkansas, FLOTUS, a Senator, Secretary of State under the first AA President, and offered real competence and experience the office hadn't seen in a generation or two. She's easily the most successful female politician in US history and it's literally not even close or disputable.

Yet...even with all of that....America instead chose the most , racist, xenophobic, and downright stupid unqualified white man instead.

So what does that tell little girls all over this country? That no matter how well you do there's always going to be some man who'll snatch all your dreams away in an instance?

UGH.

New Survey coming this weekend!
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#158242: Nov 24th 2016 at 7:48:11 AM

@Tactical Fox: That's basically it, yeah. It's like Reductress said back during the first debate - maybe, just maybe, America watched a calm, qualified woman spend the whole campaign getting shouted over by a loud man with bad ideas, and maybe America said 'Oh.' But probably not.

It's been fun.
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#158243: Nov 24th 2016 at 8:02:24 AM

I see news headlines that Clinton's lead in the popular vote has grown to 2 million. Confirmation, please?

Also, any news on the claims of suspicious voting results in several of the states? Some of them involved suspicious numbers, of the "he won by the exact same percentage in all of these states, despite it being statistically implausible/improbable/impossible, especially considering the disparity in their population numbers" kind.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#158244: Nov 24th 2016 at 8:06:00 AM

Outside of a few Republicans with pet issues like Mc Cain and torture, I've never had much faith in the GOP having a spine in this situation. This is the same party that helped propagate a media empire built on the idea that facts are subjective, and that routinely fuck over the very people that help elect them (conservative working class voters) and THE ENTIRE PLANET in the name of greed.

It's gonna be a rough 4-8 years.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#158245: Nov 24th 2016 at 8:12:09 AM

@Tactical Fox

The sad thing is, to a good chunk of voters in America, all of HRC's accomplishments which you listed are actually negative traits. Anti-intellectualism is quite prevalent in America.

It's nearly impossible to fully diagnose exactly what definitely sealed her defeat this time, since there are so many possible choices. A bunch of factors — some (but not all) completely beyond her control and not remotely her fault — contributed to her loss.

edited 24th Nov '16 8:14:05 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#158246: Nov 24th 2016 at 8:20:57 AM

And a lot of people just don't care in general. This election has made it very obvious that people are more moved by the candidate's charisma or how CONVINCING his rhetoric sounds as opposed to it being grounded in anything factual. A small group of people is gonna try and have an informed opinion and actually look into policies, but most aren't gonna bother.

Even a lot of liberals didn't seem to realize that they were effectively buying into a right-wing smear campaign.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#158247: Nov 24th 2016 at 8:25:53 AM

[up]

This election has made it very obvious that people are more moved by the candidate's charisma or how CONVINCING his rhetoric sounds as opposed to it being grounded in anything factual.

"I don’t like Adams! Well, he’s gonna lose, that’s just defeatist. And Jefferson? In love with France! Yeah, he’s so elitist! I like that Aaron Burr! I can’t believe we’re here with him! He seems approachable? Like you could grab a beer with him"

edited 24th Nov '16 8:39:23 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#158248: Nov 24th 2016 at 8:34:57 AM

[up]x7 I'm reminded of a joke from one of Conan O'Brien's last Tonight Show episodes.

(paraphrased from memory) "I was asked to star in a porno movie. Just as I'm about to climax, I get replaced by Jay Leno."

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#158249: Nov 24th 2016 at 8:42:42 AM

[up][up][up] I don't think that's quite the explanation. I think the Golden Mean Fallacy and False equivalency is by FAR the biggest culprit here outside of the obvious racial implications.

This whole edgy "Both sides are the same" "Oh, my god they're BOTH pieces of shit" "I have to vote my conscience."

It doesn't matter if you put literal Jesus and Satan on either side, but people will STILL find some way to justify this "both sides" nonsense and this was a problem LOOOOOOONG before the media found out that False Equivalency was a profitable business opportunity.

Why? Because they think that if they don't pick a side they seem "neutral" and above it all, and makes them feel intellectually superior, even though it's the exact opposite.

Only way I feel you could challenge this mindset is to start early in life and constantly hammer home to a child as he or she grows up that some sides are right and some sides are wrong along with valid critical thinking skills and evaluating credible sources of information.

edited 24th Nov '16 8:42:56 AM by TacticalFox88

New Survey coming this weekend!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#158250: Nov 24th 2016 at 8:47:23 AM

[up] I still cannot believe the awful shit that Trump said during his campaign wasn't a dealbreaker for millions of people. The media raised more of a fuss over HRC's one "Basket of deplorables" gaffe.

The "both-siderism" so prevalent in the MSM this cycle has made me swear it off forever.

edited 24th Nov '16 8:49:25 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised

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