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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#158151: Nov 23rd 2016 at 5:56:22 PM

Like, this is basically an admittance that they will undermine any science they don't like regardless of whether it's valid or not.

Medical research will be in the firing line, too. The Republicans have been trying to kill medical research for years (especially stem cell research) because of the 'risk' of it 'facilitating' abortions to obtain foetal tissue for research purposes - they upped their game after those fake videos went around to discredit Planned Parenthood. This will be their next big target.

Edit: I see Clinton has surpassed 2 million votes.

edited 23rd Nov '16 6:06:09 PM by Wyldchyld

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#158152: Nov 23rd 2016 at 6:13:55 PM

WashPost confirms Trump's been turning away the briefings, Pence has been taking them all.

Pence is the president. This fits the thing that Trump doesn't want to be in the White House at all, he essentially wants to be doing more rallies and the like.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#158153: Nov 23rd 2016 at 6:21:32 PM

Considering that Pence, awful as he is, is the mature one, the ones giving the briefings are probably relieved. It says something that we're willing to settle at this point.

probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#158154: Nov 23rd 2016 at 6:26:59 PM

I'm trying to not hope that Clinton will still be the next POTUS, because hoping so feels too much like denial.

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#158155: Nov 23rd 2016 at 6:28:16 PM

No, the electoral college is not going to reverse course and vote Clinton in.

The most likely outcome is they'll vote for Trump. The *second* most likely outcome is that there will be enough votes to go to Mc Mullin or whomever that Trump won't get the 270 he needs, and it'll go to the house of reps, which will *then* pick Trump.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#158156: Nov 23rd 2016 at 6:30:07 PM

[up][up]You're correct in this assessment.

Trump being sworn into the White House is gonna sting when the day comes but I don't need to make it worse by hoping that it won't happen. It's too late now.

Anyways, Pence being the de-facto president is consistent with what many of us were expecting, but I still expect Trump to poke his nose in somewhat frequently and messing up Pence's plans.

edited 23rd Nov '16 6:30:45 PM by Draghinazzo

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#158157: Nov 23rd 2016 at 6:31:26 PM

I dunno about the people giving the briefings being relieved. An ignorant president doesn't mean an inactive president, it means an incompetent president.

edited 23rd Nov '16 6:32:10 PM by Gilphon

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#158159: Nov 23rd 2016 at 6:46:04 PM

Pence is less likely to screw things up in foreign affairs than Trump. If he's kept busy with that he won't have as much time for his ugly pet projects either.

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#158160: Nov 23rd 2016 at 6:54:40 PM

Nevermind, apparently I was looking at an old page. my response no longer makes sense.

edited 23rd Nov '16 6:55:11 PM by Lanceleoghauni

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#158161: Nov 23rd 2016 at 6:55:31 PM

No one gets held accountable to real corruption these days, but liberals get held accountable for fake corruption that "casts shadows" on "what should have been an easy win."

[up] What? No way, your post made perfect sense!

edited 23rd Nov '16 6:55:49 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#158162: Nov 23rd 2016 at 6:56:21 PM

Or maybe it was only halfway through last page goddamn what am I doing today. But yeah, Trump is really only proving the point that if you have money the law doesn't really apply to you.

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#158163: Nov 23rd 2016 at 7:00:46 PM

Is it healthy to hope he gets impeached at some point?

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#158164: Nov 23rd 2016 at 7:04:47 PM

There's enough to impeach him NOW. Congress just won't do it. As soon as he's not willing to be their idiot with a pen, maybe. Then we'll just have Censor Pence as Brave Leader right?

Certainly healthier than praying for assassination, which I've seen once or twice

edited 23rd Nov '16 7:05:29 PM by Lanceleoghauni

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#158165: Nov 23rd 2016 at 7:07:26 PM

If he gets in Pence's way enough it's not unlikely. Ugh god, either Trump or Pence is a disaster for scientific research at this point but I feel like Pence has the stronger ideological cause to interfere. Glad I'm 100% sure of going into the private sector at this point but it's still fucking bullshit that we're going to see rightwing Lysenkoism forced onto academia.

probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#158166: Nov 23rd 2016 at 7:07:48 PM

[up][up][up] I am trying to aim for "energized calm". I got it from a book about stress. I think it's like Tranquil Fury.

edited 23rd Nov '16 7:08:06 PM by probablyinsane

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FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#158167: Nov 23rd 2016 at 7:21:52 PM

Re: Trump administration's planned crackdown on "politicized science"

Nazi Germany's atomic weapon research was likewise hampered by the brass' distrust of "Jewish sciences", which otherwise would include critical minds such as Einstein and Oppenheimer.

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On an almost comical note, I now realize that the two worst events in US history during the past decade took place on swapped date numbers.

Al-Qaeda struck New York and Washington DC on 9/11.

Trump was elected POTUS on 11/9.

Make of that what you will. surprised

probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#158168: Nov 23rd 2016 at 7:23:31 PM

[up] 9/11 Never forget. 11/9 Always regret.

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#158169: Nov 23rd 2016 at 7:23:59 PM

Trump was called president by the networks on the 9th, I guess, but in practice, he either won due to events of 11/8, or due to the electoral college vote on 12/16.

Sorry, I get really annoyed by bad numerology.

FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#158170: Nov 23rd 2016 at 7:33:46 PM

[up] 11/9 makes for better poetry and feels. tongue

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#158171: Nov 23rd 2016 at 7:42:21 PM

Aka why liberals lost this election :P

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#158172: Nov 23rd 2016 at 7:44:25 PM

[up][up]Suggestion: don't go with feels. There lies truthiness and "facts".

edited 23rd Nov '16 7:44:42 PM by Euodiachloris

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#158173: Nov 23rd 2016 at 7:46:26 PM

Honestly, I'm willing to give up conforming to reality in talking points if it'll win elections.

Liberals want to believe in things due to empirically provable points. But, they refused to believe that winning elections isn't about facts. But that has now been empirically proven. It's kind of a catch-22.

That being said, actual policy should still be conducted via actual facts.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#158174: Nov 23rd 2016 at 7:56:50 PM

[up]I've been saying that for 2020, the Democrats need a strongly charismatic public speaker with as little dirt on them as possible, and definitely not too tied to "big business" if possible.

Their policies should obviously be grounded in facts, but as you said facts don't win elections. People care way more about reinforcing fundamentalist beliefs, or in the liberal sphere, feeling inspired than actual sane and reasonable policies.

edited 23rd Nov '16 7:57:13 PM by Draghinazzo

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#158175: Nov 23rd 2016 at 8:02:34 PM

[up][up] Maybe the moderate liberals do. The further left you go the more feels-centric and conspiratorial-minded people get, they're almost as bad as the right in that regard. But with the startlingly poor levels of education outside the big cities a lot of the people the Democrats want to win over to their sides simply aren't smart enough to comprehend reason even if it's being used, because most effective policies are by nature hard to boil down into cute and easy-to-understand soundbites.

[up] Exactly. Tell the Lowest Common Denominator what they want to hear, while also signaling to the more educated parts of the voterbase with a base of facts. HRC overestimated the power of the latter with her constant referrals to her website rather than making affirmative statements out there where everyone can see them. Granted it's a bit dirty but the situation's pretty dire and when in recent memory have the Republicans actually fought fair?

edited 23rd Nov '16 8:11:07 PM by AlleyOop


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