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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
@bernies numbers: Looking at his numbers I'm seeing mostly college educated whites and what the right wing bubble would call the liberal elite. Not exactly the people you need to win the rust belt. Bernie might've done better with the old union guys but how many of them are still around?
It should also be noted that Hillary actually over performed her numbers...in places like California, Texas and Arizona...
Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?![]()
Yes, but most of the democratic primary votes weren't in the handful of rust belt states that were pviotal this election cycle. Moreover, unless you have a plan to eliminate the electoral college, outdoing her polls in California, New York, and Texas is totally irrelevant.
edited 21st Nov '16 3:19:09 PM by CaptainCapsase
It was apparently mostly spent with Trump screaming at Media Executives and Major Media Personalities, calling them liars and pretty much worthless garbage. And them taken back/appalled at the treatment.
I don't know about that particular demographic cross tab, it's not one that people were interested in until this election. Beyond that, Sanders did noticeably better in rural areas versus Clinton, in a manner that eerily mirrored the general election outcome.
edited 21st Nov '16 3:22:28 PM by CaptainCapsase
I think there's a limit to how much he can cow the press without resorting to real brutality. Him threatening the NY Times and the Washington Post and such spurred them to fight harder (say what you will about how they covered Clinton) and dig deeper to uncover stuff on hime.
Serious journalists take their First Amendment rights very seriously.
edited 21st Nov '16 3:32:24 PM by Elle
x7 But at least the media networks got their goddamned RATINGS!!!!! out of playing the whole equal coverage bullshit, right?
Seriously, I wish that every single fucking "journalist" in this country would spend the rest of their lives lying awake at night, tormented by the realization that they elected a kleptocratic dictator, all in the name of their goddamned RATINGS!!!!!
edited 21st Nov '16 3:43:35 PM by Reflextion
Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.It occurred to me that I was thinking Trump could use the kleptocracy he might be planning on installing to try and control the media in the same way Vladimit Putin does in Russia (or at least, I think I read that's how it works - I have to confess my knowledge of russian politics and the ways that Putin stays in power are out of my realm of expertise).
But this report reminded me of something important: Trump might be an opportunist, but he's extremely petty and spiteful. He might not be pragmatic enough to try to game the system because that would require playing nice with the networks, and for the moment it doesn't seem like he wants to do that.
@cap: Sorry, that was sort of my point. Clinton did very well in areas where it was totally irrelevant.
@elle: for comparison, trump won penns with 2,912,941 votes 48.8/47.6 while obama won it with 2,990,274 51/46 in 2012. It's similar numbers for other states. I can't get into a county by county breakdown because A: I don't get paid enough for this shit and B: I'm not a pollster but from my limited view it looks the majority of the movement comes from a slight increase in rural voters and a slight decrease and city voters. This would suggest a mostly white and mostly working class increase in voters while the working poor and educated stayed home
Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?He apparently gathered all the news network channels in one room for a meeting where they hoped to discuss access and proceeded to insult and downtalk them as being liars
edited 21st Nov '16 3:42:13 PM by MadSkillz
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I don't really watch the main networks since I don't live in the US, so this is second-hand knowledge, but everyone here has been consistent about the point that the media was much harder on Clinton than Trump in comparison (until the whole "Pussygate" controversy), rattling on about her emails or whatever while her opponent was basically a clownish crypto-fascist.
When you play up the election as "the worst between two evils" it creates a climate of voter apathy. Hillary sort of invited that by being a candidate in the first place but they were glad to play that up for ratings even if it doomed the country to 4 years under Trump's thumb.
edited 21st Nov '16 3:45:06 PM by Draghinazzo
@Rationalinsanity: He'll be able to stymie the press in the same way any state actor can, by denying access to media outlets that don't cast him in a good light. Meaning NYT, WaPo, and other respected news sources will be working off of second hand information filtered through the likes of Fox News and Breitbart.
x5 I'd rather they not have downplayed Trump's actual abuses and scandals while simultaneously playing up every single time Hilary coughed, stumbled, sent out an email, used the wrong colored pen, et cetera, et cetera, et-fucking-cetera. as proof that she is The Antichrist destined to bring about a thousand years of fucking darkness.
But hey, both sides are equally corrupt and all that.
edited 21st Nov '16 3:47:25 PM by Reflextion
Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.

How about "the usurper", since he lost the popular vote?
Edit: decided to pothole to joking mode, since I seem to forget I could be taken seriously.
edited 21st Nov '16 3:16:34 PM by IFwanderer
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV