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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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And Trump won 30% of Latinos, which is also "quite a few". But I doubt anyone's going to characterize him as having many minority supporters like they try to do with Bernie.
That sounds right. Bernie's supporters were almost entirely middle to upper middle class young whites. And the youngest among them were the most willing to buy into Bernie's narrative of the corrupt establishment as embodied by Hillary. I have a feeling they're many of the same ones who sat out this election or voted third party.
edited 21st Nov '16 1:34:31 PM by MonsieurThenardier
"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
I'd say Trump did reasonably well among Latinos, better than Romney
despite the memes that claim otherwise and expectations to the contrary.
"And we never will if we keep up with that kind of fatalism. The whole point is that if the Democrats change their approach, maybe they can actually do something about it now."
That's doubtful, unless we start tripping over ourselves trying to reincorporate social conservatism into the party platform. The way districts, down to local districts, are drawn heavily favors the GOP. It's simply an impossibility — the people down there don't like us, don't like the party's message, and will never break ranks because the Democrats aren't going in for racism, misogyny, and homophobia anymore. I mean, the only reason there are Democrats in the Deep South, for example, outside of Atlanta and New Orleans, is because the political inertia of the party realignment means that the ascendant GOP missed a few spots and The Remnant hobbled along.
edited 21st Nov '16 1:37:05 PM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."Let's see....
Among the "local" levels,
my home state of Alabama recognizes:
- Same sex marriages
- Same sex couples
- adoption by either of the above
- Reassignment surgery
- Gender reassignment on official forms.
It does not recognize anti-lgbt hate crimes, there are no protections from discrimination from businesses, employers, etc, no protections from discrimination from housing,
and worst of all, no bans on conversion therapy.
I grew up Republican like all the rest of them, but I "woke".
edited 21st Nov '16 1:37:49 PM by blkwhtrbbt
Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for youAnd youth don't vote enough to sway elections. If they did, the US wouldn't be under fascist rule and Remain would have won the Brexit race.
Also, Comey violating the Hatch Act in the last weeks of election might have cost Clinton the race. I'm not sure, maybe the polls wouldn't have tightened enough and she could have gotten enough to votes to win enough states. It was always going to be close, but perhaps Comey made it shift so that it was close in Trump's favor.
@Re: Trump's minority support: he didn't really gain or bring over that many minority voters. Their turnout plummeted in key states, either due to suppression or the same misguided apathy that white Democrats were hit with. Trump won a normal portion (for his party) of a smaller whole.
edited 21st Nov '16 1:39:07 PM by Rationalinsanity
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How much of that was mandated by a court ruling?
Comey is a Karma Houdini of epic prroportions, but alas, he's untouchable now.
edited 21st Nov '16 1:38:50 PM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."@Thenardier
I'm going off what I've seen of my friends and acquaintances on social media. The division was more based on age than anything. The people in my age group and younger are very mixed in terms of ethnicity, and they where predominantly Sanders and many of them were pretty harsh on Hillary until the DNC at which point they did a hard 180. Whereas older folks in their 30s and up tended to be more for Hillary from the start regardless of ethnicity. For what it's worth I'm a millennial and I leaned Hillary though I didn't vote in the primaries because I preferred to stay independent.
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True, but the Baby Boomers seem intent on ruining everything for their kids and grandkids before they finally die. And if the GOP goes nuts with voter suppression, court stacking (the entire US judicial branch needs to be reformed, its just too ideological) and so forth, by the time today's youth start voting it will either be too late on big issues (economy and climate change) or the system will be legitimately rigged against them.
edited 21st Nov '16 1:41:39 PM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.After the Obergefell/Hodges case Alabama attempted to remove its own right to issue marriage licenses altogether
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That is remarkably petty and spiteful
Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for youI voted Bernie on a coin toss. It actually came in handy online — a portion of those looking to have me crucified for supporting Hillary hilariously backtracked when I revealed who I voted for. The rest, about half, would start screaming "SHILL! SHILL!"
As if. I wish I got paid for my vote. Trump still would have won, but I would have appreciated a loan repayment made in my name in exchange for my vote.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."Goddamn it.
The GOP governor of North Carolina is trying to steal an election by claiming voter fraud.
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That isn't what I'm talking about, I'm talking about which demographics voted for him among the youth. The answer is all of them, but most voters are fairly old, and that's especially true in primaries.
Also, I need to add that the particular incident that triggered this current spat was Sanders calling for a more universal message as opposed to micro-targeting. Which naturally got the headline "Sanders slams identity politics", leading to outrage because people seemingly don't read articles beyond the headlines any more. If that makes him "out of touch" about race, than Obama is also out of touch on race issues since he said more or less the same thing.
edited 21st Nov '16 1:51:42 PM by CaptainCapsase
So here's an idea: It's a pretty safe bet that we're not going to have a full blown EC rebellion on our hands, and though I'd be ecstatic if there were one, I'm not getting my hopes up. But even with that being the case, I think it's still possible that some EC voters might end up voting for Clinton over Trump. Not enough to change the tide, certainly, but if enough of them vote for Clinton, it might still be enough to shake things up a bit and cast some doubts on Trump's legitimacy. Regardless of whether or not he's still elected, if enough EC voters turn their backs on him, it might cause some of his supporters to do the same, as well as turn some heads in Washington. Then again, this may just be wishful thinking, though to be fair, we could use some of it these days.
And then the youth vote failed to show up at the polls because "Corrupt Hillary neener neener", in which they couldn't have done the right-wing media's job more thoroughly than if they'd been physically glued to Fox News.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I voted for Hillary at least. I didn't vote in the primaries because I'm Californian and Hillary had already won at that point.
The Topeka-Journal also noted that the document calls for an update and reintroduction of the National Security Entry-Exit Registration system, originally implemented after 9/11. It also mentioned "extreme vetting questions," for "high-risk aliens."
Kobach's papers also suggest reducing Syrian refugee intake down to zero.
There's going to be new bad shit every day isn't there?
edited 21st Nov '16 2:04:57 PM by MadSkillz
@Mad: Yes. Yes, there is. Like I said, we're going to be Gish Galloped with a river of bullshit, and I don't think we can realistically hope to counter more than half of it at best. Make no mistake, the name of the game now is controlling and mitigating the damage Trump and his rats can do.
It's been fun.

The point to make is that the Hilary campaign was way too much an anti-Trump campaign, that relied on the (sadly taken-for-granted) premise that Americans would never vote in someone that was sexist/racist/otherwise bigoted. That's the identity politics aspect.
A campaign more focused on the working class, rather than wealthy celebrities and academians decrying the evils of the nation, has a better chance at reclaiming the Rust Belt. Simple as that.