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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Bernie's little speech about how the Cubans love Castro because he gave them healthcare reminded me of this clip
from an otherwise crappy movie.
edited 21st Nov '16 12:35:25 AM by MonsieurThenardier
"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."![]()
Bernie Sanders is also an atheist, something some jerk in the DNC (revealed in their leaked emails) contemplated using against Bernie to get him to drop out of the primaries since he refused to quit even after it was mathematically impossible for him to win. TBF, this was just some asshole shooting the shit — the DNC didn't actually use his atheism against him.
I can't imagine the atheism going over so well in the general election.
edited 21st Nov '16 12:32:36 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised
Bernie Sanders certainly helped reinforce the image of HRC as an EBIL establishment figure during the primaries. Which explains why his attempt to endorse her after the primaries didn't go over so well with his more, um, ardent supporters.
edited 21st Nov '16 12:37:21 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedYou scream Socialist! enough times and it stops having meaning. If Obama was a socialist and we did well under Obama then maybe we should bring another socialist in.
People were already pre-disposed to dislike Hillary.
Would've had less of an effect than Hillary's perceived scandals.
According to studies people cared more about the atheism bit than the Jewish part, which I find kind of funny and also sad.
@Mad Skillz's dad
That's exactly how a lot of people on on my dad's side of the family operate. Even my dad sips from that well sometimes. He usually votes Democrat because he grew up on their welfare and because it was JFK who passed the Immigration and Nationality Act, but a lot of his actual views are more Republican-lite. Would explain why despite the relative dropoff in minorities who voted Trump this year that there's a surprisingly strong well of continued support for the Republicans from minorities who will brush off actual bigoted statements of theirs or try to play whataboutism with the Democrats. Stockholm syndrome over the Cold War plus economic self-interest and somehow thinking party loyalty will protect them from Republican bigotry.
edited 21st Nov '16 12:40:05 AM by AlleyOop
Seems like a lot of Sanders' supporters didn't really know much about the guy but were drawn to his rhetoric and policy proposals. And the fact that he wasn't HRC.
edited 21st Nov '16 12:41:48 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedYep. Bernie held out too long that it started hurting Hillary.
The DNC's corruption had the Bernie supporters start crossing over to Trump or choosing not to vote.
A lot of those Bernie supporters were also in the Rust Belt.
I think it would've worked out fine.
edited 21st Nov '16 12:45:24 AM by Eschaton
You sure are making some pretty strong assumptions based on what appears to be wishful thinking there.
'cause, I mean, Bernie's populist wave wasn't large enough for him to actually win the primaries. Why should it give him Trump-esque scandal immunity?
Plus, unlike Hilary, who appeared centrist enough that she had a chance of winning over people who normally vote Republican but dislike Trump, Bernie appeared to be far-left enough that he'd be risking sending them crawling back to Trump.
edited 21st Nov '16 12:44:16 AM by Gilphon
I believe that Reagan signing the Immigration Reform and Control Act turned my dad into a Republican loyalist since it legalized his little brother.
Seriously though, Sanders is every negative stereotype about the left come to life. To wit:
- He joined the Liberty Union Party which was explicitly Socialist, and ran under that party at that crazy young age of... 35.
- He said that cancer is caused by women not having enough orgasms, again in that wild youthful time of his early 30s.
- He wrote essays about how women fantasize about being gang raped.
- He lived on welfare and odds jobs until his mid 30s despite having a college degree and no health issues.
- He got kicked out of a hippy commune for being too lazy and preachy.
- He praised Chavez's Venezuela as a role model for the USA... in 2011.
- He hung a Soviet flag in his office as mayor of Burlington.
- He said breadlines were a good thing.
- His wife mismanaged Burlington College into crashing and he benefitted financially when it did so.
- He called the USA a banana republic.
- He dumped nuclear waste on a poor Hispanic community, despite their community being poorly suited to take said waste compared to many in Vermont, because he wanted to be more popular there. He continued to do this even as representatives from that community came to Vermont to beg him not to.
- He praised Fidel Castro.
- He went to a "Death to America" rally where Sandinistas were literally chanting "the Yankee will die", stepped on stage, and called them proud patriots.
- His ideological allies in Congress hate his guts because they think he's an arrogant holier-than-thou prick who rants about how pure he is while other people actually try to get things done.
- Etc.
Take every single negative accusation leveled at every Democratic politician by the right. Now make them all true. That's Sanders.
"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
x5
The difference with Bernie Sanders compared to Trump is that for whatever his personal issues may be, Sanders has actual technical knowledge of government workings and belief in an actual cause that would motivate him to surround himself with competent people rather than patsies who profess more socialism than thou.
edited 21st Nov '16 12:52:16 AM by AlleyOop
@Alley During his campaign he surrounded himself with nutjobs, like hiring a proponent of MMT that almost all modern economists agree is bonkers as his chief economic advisor. So no.
I'm willing to cut him a bit of slack and assume he just misspoke there.
edited 21st Nov '16 12:53:51 AM by MonsieurThenardier
"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."

Basically there were no perfect candidates and each of them had some shit qualities to them.