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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Trump improving minority numbers is a statistical falsehood. He got an increased percentage of the minority vote but minority turnout was down from my understanding, Trump didn't get a higher number of minority votes then past Republicans, his opponent simply got a lower number of minority votes compared to past Democrats.
Going from 4 out of 20 to 3 out of 10 is getting less votes but an increase in the percentage of the vote. That's what Trump did.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranHillary making Bernie her Vice President would've saved her because Bernie had popularity in the crucial areas she lost to Trump.
She came in with the disadvantage of having NAFTA and the TPP stink on her and ignoring the Rust Belt pretty much sunk her.
The demographic shift that her team was expecting to help her all happened in the wrong areas like California or wasn't to the degree that they were hoping for.
It was an incompetently led campaign.
Ehh. There was a bunch of fairly damaging-looking stuffnote on Bernie that the GOP would've used if he'd still been a factor after the primaries.
Plus, I mean, Hillary won the popular vote by a huge margin and only lost the Rust Belt states she lost by one percent. The combined total of everything against her made her lose by the smallest margin imaginable, so I don't find it constructive to go into 'what ifs' about what she could've done differently when really it was a sheer fluke that she lost.
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At the very least, she could have held a rally or two in the Rust Belt States and made her case as to why 1) coal is dying and Trump isn't going to save it, and 2) that she could give them a new future beyond coal.
She mostly blamed Comey's last minute interference costing her campaign "momentum".
edited 21st Nov '16 12:07:23 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedClinton didn't screw Sanders over, at all. That has also been debunked.
Anyway, would a rival from the same party carry the same disadvantage as earlier cases, where the rival was from the opposite party because they didn't have V Ps on the presidential ticket?
Clinton didn't screw Sanders over, at all. That has also been debunked.
Anyway, would a rival from the same party carry the same disadvantage as earlier cases, where the rival was from the opposite party because they didn't have V Ps on the presidential ticket?
@Anime: Honestly, the thing that scares me most is that Trump seems very malleable. He'll say (and do) whatever it seems the people around him want him to do - he's got a history of changing his statements, even backtracking on a number of his major campaign talking points already since the election. And here's the thing - Trump is surrounding himself with very scary people. Pence wants to completely defund HIV research. Bannon is a white supremacist, and the staff of Breitbart aren't any better. He's legitimized Alex Jones.
I'm afraid of what these people are going to do to our country and to people I love.
It's been fun.![]()
Trump is, in many ways, a Weak-Willed Adult Child.
edited 21st Nov '16 12:08:27 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised@M84: I mean, it's easy to say what she should've done when we have the benefit of knowing exactly how things went wrong. But it also bears keeping in mind that she was polling way ahead in the Rust Belt for most of the election- the polls tightened at the last moment because, among other things, Trump started campaigning really hard in Michigan. And the polls still showed her ahead despite that. (though not so far ahead that what ended up happening was outside the range of probability)
So, from her perspective, why would focusing on states that seem safe-ish be the best use of her time?
Basically Trump could be okay if he had a set of great advisors but he's got a team of super-villains around him instead because his rhetoric to garner support scared off the regular Republicans which left only the bad apples to support him which he then rewarded with important positions around him for their loyalty to him.
Even Newt Gingrich, Rudy Guiliani and Chris Christie got left out in the cold.
edited 21st Nov '16 12:20:08 AM by MadSkillz
edited 21st Nov '16 12:26:39 AM by MonsieurThenardier
"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just.""Everyone was convinced that Castro was the worst guy in the world, and that all the Cuban people would rise against Fidel Castro. What they forgot is that Castro educated their kids, gave them healthcare, totally transformed their society. Not to say that Fidel Castro is perfect, he's certainly not. But just beacuse Ronald Raegan dislikes these people doesn't mean the people in these nations feel the same way."
Sure Bernie
◊, they're really grateful to their dictator for all the progress he brought.
edited 21st Nov '16 12:25:05 AM by MonsieurThenardier
"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."Yep, that happened
That's taking it somewhat out of context, of course, but if you think that would matter, you're taking a naive view of politics.
I think that would've further sunk her chances in Florida but she lost that anyways.
Honestly, I think Bernie would've been able to brush that off with a little hurt thrown on the campaign. And Bernie has the advantage of being able to motivate people to come out and vote plus he would've been able to siphon off voters from Trump.
edited 21st Nov '16 12:26:13 AM by MadSkillz

Probably didn't help that Bill Clinton was the guy who signed NAFTA.
edited 20th Nov '16 11:59:19 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised