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animefan1 Since: Dec, 2013
#157226: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:13:04 PM

No it is not ok. Plain and simple. banned for what? disagreeing?

What? What is this?
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#157227: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:13:26 PM

well considering how anytime people try to find a reason they hate trump, racism tends to be the only leg they stand on.

It's not just racism. He's corrupt, he's unqualified, his policies are godawful and he's kind of a buffoon.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#157228: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:15:15 PM

He's a known Russian patsy engaging in borderline treason. That's a pretty massive dealbreaker for me.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#157229: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:15:20 PM

No it is not ok. Plain and simple. banned for what? disagreeing?

Trolling.

edited 20th Nov '16 11:16:02 PM by MadSkillz

MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#157230: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:15:23 PM

banned for what? disagreeing?
Yes.

"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#157231: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:16:56 PM

Supporting Trump is not banworthy until you actually say something about certain groups being inferior to others, which is what multiple previous Trump supporters have openly done to cause their bans. But posting things in a deliberately antagonistic and taunting tone towards other posters as you're currently doing will get you thumped by the mods for breaking the civility rule, which is ideologically blind as several overtly left-leaning posters have also found.

edited 20th Nov '16 11:21:09 PM by AlleyOop

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#157232: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:18:53 PM

There are many reasons why some of us here are not looking forward to Trump's inauguration. And with each passing day, Trump either reinforces them or gives us entirely new reasons to feel apprehensive.

The only small comfort for me is that my family is well off enough that we will get to benefit from his proposed tax cuts while also not being too badly affected by the upcoming losses of the ACA and Medicare. It also doesn't hurt that we live in California.

edited 20th Nov '16 11:20:51 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
animefan1 Since: Dec, 2013
#157233: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:20:03 PM

[up]figures. Then again i'm not trolling. Also i shouldn't have come off as antagonistic.

What? What is this?
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#157234: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:21:39 PM

[up] Eh, it's understandable. This election cycle seems to have brought out the worst in a lot of people.

Disgusted, but not surprised
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#157235: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:21:54 PM

I mean his team of advisors is also horrific-

Mike Pence as his VP aka Mr. Homophobe. Thought that cutting HIV funding to funnel into gay conversion camps was a good idea. He's a religious nut that doesn't even believe in evolution and has said that smoking doesn't kill.

Jeff Sessions as his AG. Jeff Sessions was considered too racist to be a federal judge under the Reagan Administration.

Steve Bannon, who is one of the leaders of the alt right aka the racist right. He wants to destroy the conservative party from within and build a white nationalist party.

General Flynn who thinks Islam is a cancer and has ties to Russia. He also believes in fake news. Like he's tweeted fake news reports of Hillary bedding down with children.

Priebus is the only one that's not so bad, I think, thus far.

edited 20th Nov '16 11:22:54 PM by MadSkillz

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#157236: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:22:23 PM

Given that one of his supporters has now cited the Japanese internment camps from WW 2 as precedent for the "Muslim registry" I've got to say that any pretense that they aren't pursuing highly racist policies should be dropped, but there are those who will cling to the idea that what he's doing isn't.

Racism, in the end, is a thing you do, either passively or actively. And they're getting some pretty active racists in that administration now.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#157237: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:23:08 PM

[up][up] Preibus was the bone thrown to appease the GOP establishment. I strongly suspect he will have no real say in Trump's administration.

[up] Supposedly the Trump team publicly disavowed that guy's statements, claiming that he doesn't speak for them on any official basis. I guess even they realized that comparing their proposed policies to the Japanese internment camps would be bad publicity.

edited 20th Nov '16 11:24:37 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
animefan1 Since: Dec, 2013
#157238: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:24:34 PM

Then again i'm just glad this election is over. Even if hillary won, i would still be glad the election is over. Also i never heard of this steve bannon guy before. Imagine if alex jones, the conspiracy nut was trying to be in office and imagine the meltdown he would have if he loose.

edited 20th Nov '16 11:26:41 PM by animefan1

What? What is this?
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#157239: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:24:53 PM

@M84 I kinda feel the same way about how Pence was a bone thrown to evangelicals. Although Trump is probably going to let him do all the work that can be delegated.

Honestly, I'm pretty sure the republicans are going to impeach Trump if his approval numbers tank harder and they do badly in the mid-terms.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#157240: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:25:31 PM

[up][up] Steve Bannon is a scary bastard. Trump bringing him into the WH and giving him a position of power and influence? That is bad news for anyone who isn't a Christian white dude.

edited 20th Nov '16 11:25:48 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#157241: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:25:33 PM

If Romney actually gets a position he might not be so bad, if only because he's sane enough to realize that getting into a fight with literally everyone is a bad idea. He seems like a pretty steady personality. Which is probably why he won't get a position.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#157242: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:26:35 PM

@animefan1: Look, the thing is that Trump has said and done a lot of things that make people worry about what state he's going to leave our country - and perhaps even the world - in.

Just to name two things, he A) has in the past proclaimed that climate change is a Chinese hoax, and seems to want us to withdraw from the Paris Agreement, which would be a huge blow to any efforts to combat climate change; and B) he chose Mike Pence, a religious fundamentalist who supports the use of conversion therapy, as his VP.

And everyone above said all of this and more.

And that doesn't worry you?

edited 20th Nov '16 11:30:54 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#157243: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:27:38 PM

I think my family might actually benefit from a Trump administration... which is ironic, since we're just the kind of center coastal elites Trump's supporters probably hate (then again, white). Our city's economy is dependent on the Navy, biotech, and tourism. Trump's not going to ruin any of that. Meanwhile my upper middle class family can take those sweet tax cuts, and will lose absolutely nothing (quite the contrary) from Obamacare being killed.

edited 20th Nov '16 11:35:07 PM by MonsieurThenardier

"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
animefan1 Since: Dec, 2013
#157244: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:27:41 PM

I wonder what would've happen if romney won back in 2012. would the country be different or more or less the same?

edited 20th Nov '16 11:28:16 PM by animefan1

What? What is this?
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#157245: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:27:52 PM

Steve Bannon is a freaking cartoon villain:

The ex-Breitbart executive, who serves as Trump's chief strategist for the new administration, told The Hollywood Reporter that "darkness is good." "Dick Cheney. Darth Vader. Satan. That's power. It only helps us when they (liberals) get it wrong. When they're blind to who we are and what we're doing," he said in an interview published Friday, his first outside of Breitbart since the election.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#157246: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:29:04 PM

I wonder what woudl've happen if romney won back in 2012. would the country be different or more or less the same?

We might have been in a better place overall as Trump wouldn't have run and Romney's actually pretty moderate irl.

edited 20th Nov '16 11:29:12 PM by MadSkillz

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#157247: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:30:08 PM

[up][up][up][up] So long as Bannon doesn't convince Trump that Asian-Americans shouldn't be allowed to have high paying executive jobs in Silicon Valley, my family also stands to benefit (or at least not be too badly affected on a personal level) by Trump's administration. Assuming he doesn't totally tank the economy — but even then, my family was able to get through the 2008 mortgage crisis more or less intact (we have some solid foreign investments). Barring the climate change of course — but that's gonna mess up everyone.

edited 20th Nov '16 11:31:16 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
animefan1 Since: Dec, 2013
#157248: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:31:00 PM

To be fair the whole climate change being a Chinese hoax thing was the dumbest words trump ever said. Also i hope mike pence doesn't go through with the conversion therapy since it would only makes someone's life hell.

What? What is this?
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#157249: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:31:10 PM

The only small comfort for me is that my family is well off enough that we will get to benefit from his proposed tax cuts while also not being too badly affected by the upcoming losses of the ACA and Medicare. It also doesn't hurt that we live in California.

Same for me, but I'm also Hispanic so.....

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#157250: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:31:31 PM

well considering how anytime people try to find a reason they hate trump, racism tends to be the only leg they stand on.

The racism is a dealbreaker in and of itself and is well-documented, but there's plenty more:

- The guy is also a misogynist. This is also very well-documented. Even before "Pussygate" happened the guy has a history of sexual assault accusations, and repeatedly insulted any woman who offered any criticism of him, often by calling them ugly or stupid.

- He has no political experience whatosever and doesn't understand shit about how actually govern a country.

- He has no respect for proper security protocols. There have been reports of him calling world leaders on unsecured lines and having his family sit in with him in meetings with world leaders. The guy does not respect the presidency as an institution, in any way.

- He treats his employees and any "inferiors" like dogshit. Again, well-documented. Not a person I would want in charge of a country.

- He is one of the most thin-skinned, unhinged people you can imagine. He responds like a petulant child anytime anyone offers any criticism of him, and doesn't understand how to resolve problems or disputes like an adult.

And so on and so forth.

Finally, this has been said MANY times before and will doubtlessly have to be said again, but:

No, not every single Trump supporter is virulently racist. However by voting for him you are being complicit in normalizing his bigoted and xenophobic rhetoric and setting up an extremely bad precedent for who can and should be president. And by extension, voting for him has also given Mike Pence, an extreme bigot who believes in torturing homosexuals to "cure the gay" out of them and has no respect for women's reproductive rights, an unparalleled position of power from which to destroy the lives of thousands of women and LGBT people.

It's the difference between doing a hit and run on someone you hate, and then running over someone by accident. The feelings and intent behind the action might be different, but the end result is the same, and in both scenarios there has been a wrong committed.


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