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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
This is what California's map ended up looking like.
Only the northern edges of the state are super into Trump.
The 4 counties in the south for Trump are super depopulated. Actually most of the Trump counties are super depopulated.
See.
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That might be a good sign (Maybe Trump is willing to cooperate with the Democrats?), but I'm not sure...
With the exception of Kern County, those four Trump counties in Southern California don't even have anywhere near 800,000 residents. Heck, combined all four still don't match pro-Clinton Orange County, or neighboring Dan Diego or Riverside counties, for that matter.
edited 20th Nov '16 3:53:16 PM by Parable
Trump's policies would absolutely wreck the economy of Kern. Out of all the counties in the nation it stands the most to lose from Trump's deportation efforts.
The oil industry packing up and closing plants and the whole Fracking thing lately is probably why people voted that way but farm crash would snowball so bad.
edited 20th Nov '16 4:14:43 PM by Memers
Gerrymandering at work. These are the rules we play by until we can get enough power to change them.
We're talking about counties, not electoral districts. Also, California has nonpartisan redistricting, so gerrymandering is less of an issue anyway.
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I'm guessing it was an unintended consequence of expecting parties to have some sense of honor (or at least a sense of fairness), where no one thought people would cheat by drawing the districts to their advantage.
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Considering that the Republicans are the ones who benefit from it the most, I would assume them (or more specifically, the party they descended from). But I admit to not having studied it in depth. Honestly, it's probably less intentional and more no one saw the need to prevent partisan redistricting. And by the time anyone figured it out, it was too late.
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Unrelated, but what happens to Trump's outstanding 70-something lawsuits that were set to go to court on the 28th? He shouldn't be magically immune to prosecution as the President-elect. Abuse of power by sitting presidents aside, he's not president yet, and he wasn't president when the crimes were allegedly committed.
edited 20th Nov '16 4:22:38 PM by Discar
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Quibble: lawsuits aren't prosecution. They'll go on as before.
He'll pardon himself of any criminal charges that arise, of course. But he can still be made to shell out for his scams, at least until he declares bankruptcy again.
I don't know what happens if a sitting President is arrested for contempt of court (I know that sitting Congresscritters are immune to being arrested for anything but a felony, don't know if that applies to the President).
edited 20th Nov '16 4:28:53 PM by Ramidel
But they can still go to court? That's good. Anyone know how they're doing on that front?
Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.NYT: In California, a Bastion of Red Waits for Trump to Nudge This Blue State
Republicans are something of an endangered species in California, where Democrats control both houses of the Legislature and all statewide elected offices. For the first time since the election of Franklin D. Roosevelt, even Orange County, long viewed as the cradle of the Republican Party in California, voted for Hillary Clinton.
But not here.
Surrounded by blue, Kern County, a sprawling area at the southern end of the state’s Central Valley, stands out as a rare bastion of red — a Republican island in the country’s most liberal state. Nearly 55 percent of voters chose Donald J. Trump over Mrs. Clinton in Kern, making it among the most solidly Republican counties in California.
“We’re our own state here,” Ms. Eudy, 60, said over a breakfast of sausage and eggs at the 24th Street Cafe one recent morning. Ms. Eudy, the owner of an insulation company in town, said the state gives employees too many rights and leaves business owners without control.
“They think of us as the expendables,” she said. “I’m sick and tired of being sick and tired. But now that we have our own president, maybe things will finally start to change.”
Kern County was hardly the only part of the state to vote for Mr. Trump, who won much of the Central Valley. And several less populous counties in the northeast are more strongly Republican — 73 percent of voters in Lassen County chose Mr. Trump, for instance, as did 66 percent in Shasta County.
In the days since the election, Republicans here have celebrated, as they have in those other places. They have also found themselves hoping that their party’s control over the federal government will have a decisive impact on the state’s policies.
They have their hearts set on lower taxes and fewer environmental regulations, along with a stronger immigration system that will still let in guest workers for the agricultural fields here.
With a population of about 375,000, Bakersfield is ringed by farms and oil fields, two major engines of the region’s economy. Voters here routinely complain about the ways the state’s water conservation laws have hurt local farmers, arguing that regulators should do more to send water through California’s vast aqueduct system rather than funneling it thought the Sacramento Delta to protect endangered smelt there.
For three generations, Larry Starrh’s family has operated a small farm in Kern County, which now grows almonds and pistachios. He, too, resents the state’s water regulations for farmers, and hopes Mr. Trump will work with the Republican-controlled Congress to overturn some of the rules and get more water pumped to the Central Valley.
“There’s a huge void and disconnect here between the big cities and the country in this state; they look at us as some sort of tumbleweed in between Sacramento and Los Angeles,” Mr. Starrh said. He pointed to the recent statewide ban on plastic bags as an example of government overreach, something he hopes will lessen with Mr. Trump in power.
“The politicians here think the answer to all your problems is more laws, but I spend more time now going to meetings about regulations than actually farming,” Mr. Starrh said. “It doesn’t help me build jobs or feed my family, and it’s not a way to stay in business.”
Republicans make up roughly 38 percent of all registered voters in Kern County, while Democrats account for 36 percent. (Most others are independent.) But Republicans control both the Bakersfield City Council and the county’s Board of Supervisors. The city is also home to Kevin Mc Carthy, the House majority leader who has represented the area in Congress for a decade.
Many Republicans here are confident that Mr. Mc Carthy and Mr. Trump will help chip away at some state policies, such as environmental regulations, the Affordable Care Act and the overwhelmingly welcoming attitude toward immigrants.
Mr. Surgener, 42, runs a small oil and chemical company and said he hoped Mr. Trump would raise tariffs on oil from outside the country. More than that, he said, he hopes for relief on some of the state’s rules against fracking.
“People in the cities don’t have a realistic view of how we make everything out here,” he said over drinks at a local bar one recent evening. “They want cheap oil, but they make it impossible to get it out of the ground. They want cheap food, but they don’t want the pesticides.”
He has considered selling his business and moving elsewhere, but, recently divorced, he cannot leave his children. And, he added, he views the state’s diversity as a major selling point.
Latinos here account for roughly 45 percent of the population, and many Republicans say they have mixed feelings over Mr. Trump’s immigration plans.
While they favor deporting anyone with a criminal record, they are eager to keep those who work in the fields picking crops, arguing that few people are willing to take those jobs.
Jesse Rojas, 23, works in labor relations during the week, but hosts a Saturday morning radio call-in show in Spanish and supported Mr. Trump when the program began more than a year ago.
“At first people wanted to crucify me,” he said. “But I keep saying this is about jobs. All anyone wants here is good jobs, and the state makes that harder and harder to do.”
Mr. Rojas said he wants to see welfare programs cut, something he is hopeful Mr. Trump will do.
Darrell Feil, who runs an industrial weed abatement business here, said he hopes Mr. Trump’s policies will make it easier to run a business in the state. “Finally we have someone who believes in less government and fewer regulations,” he said. “That’s been hurting us for years here. Every day I have to pray that we have more work so I don’t have to lay off any of my guys.”
Perhaps nobody has been more elated in the last week than Dean Haddock, the chairman of the county’s Republican Party who runs a family counseling practice.
“We know people are going to be watching us, and we’re thrilled about that,” Mr. Haddock said in an interview in his office. “I haven’t given up on California yet. People who were afraid to call themselves a Republican are coming back out of the closet.”
But not everyone shares his optimism.
“Whenever I think about retirement, I can’t imagine staying here,” said Ms. Larson, 53, a marketing professional who lives in nearby Tehachapi.
Like many others in the region, her family came to the area from Oklahoma during the Dust Bowl era of the 1930s. But now she worries whether her children and grandchildren will stay in the state as the cost of living increases and taxes continue to climb. “We’re very fortunate that we’re separated from the rest of the state’s liberal agenda, but I worry every day that my children and grandchildren won’t be able to find jobs,” she said.
It's worth mentioning that Californian Trump supporters actually become hesitant about Trump's hardline stance towards Latino immigrants.
It is interesting to note that there's still more a lot more detail that those county maps don't show.
Here is Orange County broken down by neighborhood.
Note Trumpland Yorba Linda in the north, which most certainly does not have the economic concerns that other Trump-backing areas do.
It's harder being a republican if you actually befriend and mix with different ethnicities.
That's one reason why democrats trend higher in cities and why rural people are staunchly republican. Minorities congregate in cities and you hardly see one in places like rural North Dakota for instance so our plight has nothing to do with them.
Being around other minorities won't necessarily guarantee you aren't bigoted, but it does make you more likely to see them as three-dimensional people that are REAL and affected by the things you do. Like voting for Trump.
It's not just contact with minorities either. More like different people in general, new perspectives, information about the world.
No idea, all you linked was an image, no actual source or proof.
There are certainly assholes out there who'd send such a thing, but the pictures doesn't actually prove anything.
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Well, Australia does also officially call the sport known as football elsewhere soccer, so...
edited 20th Nov '16 3:10:33 PM by TotemicHero
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