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#157101: Nov 20th 2016 at 1:09:55 PM

what happens when a government acts completely counter to the cultural momentum of the state?
Civil rights.

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#157102: Nov 20th 2016 at 1:10:34 PM

[up][up] Yeah, I meant 2018.

Also James Mattis is likely Defense Secretary, on one hand an establishment Republican, on the other a massive warhawk, and IIRC he softened his stance on Russia during the primaries.

edited 20th Nov '16 1:11:47 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#157103: Nov 20th 2016 at 1:11:12 PM

Also, I heard that if the repubs win one more state legislature they can push constitutional amendments as they like, is that true?

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#157105: Nov 20th 2016 at 1:11:59 PM

2018 has a Senate election. On the one hand, there isn't really much room for the Democrats to pick up space. On the other hand, it's a midterm election under a Republican president who has displayed so far no evidence of competence. There will be a House election and stateside elections as well.

2020 has a presidential election. The Senate map is much more favourable for the Democrats there.

^Way wrong. They need 2/3 majorities in Congress as well and they are far from that.

edited 20th Nov '16 1:12:33 PM by SeptimusHeap

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#157106: Nov 20th 2016 at 1:15:49 PM

[up] As far as the state legislature goes, they're close.

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#157107: Nov 20th 2016 at 1:20:05 PM

I Fwanderer: Not entirely, for a number of reasons.

It's up to each state to decide whether the legislature or the voting population has to approve a US Constitutional amendment. This is usually in the State's Constitution, so if a state says "popular election, they'd have to amend their own constitution to put the decision in the hands of the legislature. That's not any easy process.

Second, even if it is a State Legislative vote, rather than a popular one, state legislators represent much smaller districts than Federal ones do; this tends to make them somewhat less concerned with what the party higher-ups or Washington wants and more responsive to what their actual constituents want.

thirdly, getting a Constitutional amendment to the stage where the states are even a factor is a difficult task.

So no, There isn't going be a massive overhaul of the Constitution anytime soon. It's designed to be difficult and time-consuming to do.

edited 20th Nov '16 1:21:51 PM by Madrugada

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#157108: Nov 20th 2016 at 1:25:12 PM

[up]Oh... good.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#157109: Nov 20th 2016 at 1:36:53 PM

Hence why the best method for overhauling the EC is through the NPVIC, which just requires Republican voters (who are 60% in favor of the Compact) to get off their asses and either initiative it in or elect legislators who will pass the bill.

When even Republican voters dislike the EC, it should be easier to get rid of.

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#157111: Nov 20th 2016 at 1:52:59 PM

[up][up]According to Wiki, Michigan and Pennsylvania have it "Pending in current legislative session", which means they could pass it, if I'm not mistaken. And if they did, it would bring the current total of the agreement to 201 E Vs. Then I guess someone could try and push it in the Arizona senate, since it managed to pass its lower house this year meaning they'd probably approve it again (total 212 E Vs). The same happened in Missouri (10 E Vs, bringing the total to 222 E Vs if they agree), and last year in Oregon (possibly bringing the total to 229 E Vs). Then I guess the path of "least" resistance would be to pass it in Texas and one more state (TX would bring the total to 267 and no state has less than 3 E Vs, so any state would be enough to push it through, the problem is that good luck getting Texas to pass it).

edited 20th Nov '16 1:56:11 PM by IFwanderer

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#157112: Nov 20th 2016 at 1:53:38 PM

For 2018 don't forget the gubernatorial elections, only 9 of the 39 governorships up are Democrat controlled currently, while there are a ton for of Republican spots that are weak either due to geography, retiring incumbents or other factors.

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#157113: Nov 20th 2016 at 1:57:18 PM

What will Trump and Sessions have done to voting rights by then though?

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#157114: Nov 20th 2016 at 1:58:14 PM

Yes, a number of governors are term limited. Not all of them Republican mind you - Jerry Brown of California for example.

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#157115: Nov 20th 2016 at 2:01:40 PM

[up]But isn't California a de-facto 1-party (Dem) state?

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#157116: Nov 20th 2016 at 2:13:19 PM

Well, the California GOP has reached its nadir this year by being excluded from the Senate election, but sudden recoveries are possible.

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#157117: Nov 20th 2016 at 2:19:29 PM

On the other hand, California seems to be setting itself up to be Democratic Texas, rallying the base and opposing Trump the way red states opposed Obama.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#157119: Nov 20th 2016 at 2:23:03 PM

CA does have Republican enclaives...again, rural.

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#157120: Nov 20th 2016 at 2:29:56 PM

California's getting bluer every year.

Hispanic votes probably would vote Republican if it wasn't so clear that the Republican Party hates them.

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#157121: Nov 20th 2016 at 2:33:44 PM

It's enough to make me want to move to the West Coast. I'm sick of the Deep South.

edited 20th Nov '16 2:34:11 PM by Soopor

Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#157122: Nov 20th 2016 at 2:54:14 PM

[up][up][up]Save for very urban and very Republican Anaheim/ Orange County.

I'm sure you can find other exceptions to the rule for either side.

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#157123: Nov 20th 2016 at 2:57:06 PM

Ft. Worth/Tarrant County. Urban and red, in stark contrast to all of the other urban areas of Texas.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#157124: Nov 20th 2016 at 2:58:44 PM

Orange County actually voted for Hillary this year so even if it's red, they're not full of enough bigots or fools to think that Trump is someone that should be president.

edited 20th Nov '16 3:03:05 PM by MadSkillz

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#157125: Nov 20th 2016 at 3:06:58 PM

America's slowly becoming Australia.

Not yet. They actually banned guns over there when children got shot and killed...

Do not obey in advance.

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