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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#157051: Nov 20th 2016 at 8:11:42 AM

Half-serious question: Is there anything Clinton was accused of that Trump isn't just as guilty of, if not moreso?

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#157052: Nov 20th 2016 at 8:13:11 AM

[up]She was accused of being possessed by a demon. I don't think Trump has been accused of that, or is indeed guilty of being possessed by a demon.

I only wish I was joking.

Edit: Random page topper FTW.

edited 20th Nov '16 8:13:57 AM by Wyldchyld

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#157053: Nov 20th 2016 at 8:17:03 AM

@Stephen: Very few college sports teams pay for themselves. I live in a state that has one of the very few sports teams that's an exception (the Nebraska Cornhuskers football team), and to accomplish that, it basically has to be as much a religion as a sport (seriously, you can't swing a wiffle bat without knocking over a Huskers merch display in this state).

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#157054: Nov 20th 2016 at 8:23:11 AM

Reince Priebus on Muslim Registry: 'Not Going to Rule Out Anything'

But tell me more about how Trump's campaign was about economic anxiety!

New Survey coming this weekend!
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#157055: Nov 20th 2016 at 8:26:43 AM

[up] It was indeed about economic anxieties. Also nativism, Islamophobia, opposition to feminism, and thousands of other factors of varying degrees of legitimacy. It's never just one thing that motivates people to drastic action.

edited 20th Nov '16 8:28:28 AM by CaptainCapsase

Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
Karkadinn
#157056: Nov 20th 2016 at 8:45:02 AM

For comparison, experts are also debating the exact factors that were important in giving us Brexit because it's not just any one thing you can pin down. Stagnant wages, rural/urban cultural divides, how seemingly distant legislative authorities choose to present themselves to the public, the irresponsibility of media (Daily Mail et al), and immigration procedures all played their part.

Since these sub-issues all feed into each other, you're not going to be able to address one effectively without also addressing many of the others, just like women's issues, LGBT issues and men's issues are all basically symptoms of the same fundamental problems in how we treat gender.

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#157058: Nov 20th 2016 at 9:09:58 AM

You can still volunteer for the LA Senate race even if you don't live there. We phone-bank remotely now.

I don't have much hope, but there's a few factors in our favor, namely that Republicans might be content to sit on their laurels while Democrats are now extra-motivated, and that Louisiana is one of the states that realizes just how bad unopposed Republican control of government can get, hence why until now (since it looks like that fucker McCrory is going down in North Carolina in a tight race) they were the only deep south state with a Democratic governor. Jindal fucked them over good and unlike the people of Kansas, they didn't pull their pants down and ask for more.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#157059: Nov 20th 2016 at 9:38:32 AM

[up][up] Then the Senate Composition would be 47-51-2 (or 49-51 because the 2 Independents lean Democrat), right?

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#157060: Nov 20th 2016 at 9:56:10 AM
Thumped: Wow. That was rude. Too many of this kind of thump will bring a suspension. Please keep it civil.
tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#157061: Nov 20th 2016 at 9:58:01 AM

Who's the other independent besides Sanders? Or is he now officially a Democrat?

Trump delenda est
ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#157062: Nov 20th 2016 at 10:02:20 AM

My home state senator Angus King-a centrist, moderate, and functional democrat by default.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#157063: Nov 20th 2016 at 10:05:56 AM

As for the "Clinton is corrupt" meme I see that all the new poster brought to the table were the same old discredited conspiracy theories. When asked by numerous posters to come up with actual evidence of corruption there was no response, just a repeat of "she's corrupt".

In other news, Cornel West is still an ass. Apparently we should all celebrate the end of neoliberalism.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#157064: Nov 20th 2016 at 10:15:08 AM

Trump's destabilizing the world order every time he opens his mouth. He's creating a climate of fear in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East, a climate that can easily culminate in countries expanding their nuclear arsenals or deciding they need to get them in the first place.

This is unrelated to the "nuclear war" subject, but he is also emboldening other wannabe strongmen around the world simply by virtue of being Trump. Brazil's upcoming Trump congratulated the guy when he was elected, and then said "so the outsider won against the establishment forces. Brazil will follow suit."

He's an international danger on several levels.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#157065: Nov 20th 2016 at 10:17:20 AM

[up]Trump's told the world it's okay to be a fascist.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#157066: Nov 20th 2016 at 10:26:03 AM

[up] More depressingly, about 60 million people in the United States told them fascism was okay.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#157067: Nov 20th 2016 at 10:35:49 AM

he Ohio Valley Re Source looked to voters and voting data to learn more about what motivated Donald Trump’s supporters and what they hope he will do as president.

“More than Obama did!” Judy Collier said from a grocery story parking lot in Whitesburg, Kentucky. “We need jobs.” One obvious factor was the anxiety over the collapse of the region’s coal industry.

“Our coal jobs are gone here in Eastern Kentucky,” Collier said. She lives in Eolia in Letcher County, which has seen a sharp drop in mine production and employment.

David Boggs of nearby Cumberland echoed the hope that Trump will reverse the decline. “He’ll put the coal business back together and straighten this country up a little bit, maybe.”

Resource data reporter Alexandra Kanik looked at the votes for Clinton and Trump in the counties in the three-state region that produce the most coal. (Her results can be seen in the accompanying maps.)

The top coal producing counties in the region had two, three, sometimes six times the support for Trump over Clinton, Kanik found.

Trump seized on coal’s demise and pinned the blame on federal regulations. West Virginia University history professor William Hal Gorby said that fits a long pattern in regional politics.

“Rolling back environmental regulations, what’s called the overreach of EPA, it’s sometimes referred to as the ‘war on coal,’” Gorby said. “That language has had a lot of support, of course, before Trump was running for president.”

The “war on coal” still makes for politically potent rhetoric. However, it does not match well with facts. Executives at electric utilities say their move away from coal has more to do with economics than environmental regulation — natural gas is just cheaper. And since Election Day, some mining industry supporters have walked back their promises of a coal comeback.

Congratulations, you played yourself.

edited 20th Nov '16 10:36:09 AM by TacticalFox88

New Survey coming this weekend!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#157068: Nov 20th 2016 at 10:37:36 AM

[up] Sweet, sweet, schadenfreude.

Disgusted, but not surprised
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#157069: Nov 20th 2016 at 10:40:56 AM

Coal is dying for a reason. It can't be brought back. These people vote to deregulate the free market, and the free market is killing them.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#157070: Nov 20th 2016 at 10:42:39 AM

[up]

edited 20th Nov '16 10:43:41 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#157071: Nov 20th 2016 at 10:44:03 AM

Yeah, that's the thing about the free market. If it has a choice between a traditional option and a new option that is cheaper and will make more money, it will always go for the newer and cheaper option. The free market isn't benevolent or caring, it just wants to make as much money as possible for the lowest cost possible.

The obsession with coal in West Virginia and similar areas is actually kind of an aberration.

edited 20th Nov '16 10:44:39 AM by Zendervai

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#157072: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:15:54 AM

You know, that reminds me... Nobody answered my question about what the hell is "King Coal mentality" supposed to mean.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#157073: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:23:52 AM

It means "bring back our coal jobs and defund the EPA because we think they can be brought back and we think environmental regulation killed it". Never mind that cheap natural gas killed coal (and many of the remaining jobs in coal mining have been replaced by machines, anyway) and without massive subsidies will continue to do so (but even with those subsidies, most new mining would probably be done by more machines). They also seem disinterested in attempts to retool their economy for other sectors because coal made their region economically viable in the past and they seem to think there's no reason that should have changed and presumably the only reason it could have is because EBIL GUBMINT.

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#157074: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:28:01 AM

TLDR- people who love coal and never want it to die. Pro coal bumper stickers and shit like that.

It's mostly people involved in the coal industry.

I'm baaaaaaack
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#157075: Nov 20th 2016 at 11:29:30 AM

It comes from a time when coal was the major power source and a huge industry in certain areas of the country. Obviously that's taken a huge downslide as other sources of power are discovered or developed and are not just cheaper but also more efficient, unlimited, renewable, and generally just better for the environment. It's been a slow progression, but it's one of those things where economics and environmentalism eventually just fell into agreeing with each other.

But people whose livelihoods and towns were once built around that are now facing the inevitable downside of such progress, and have apparently refused to let themselves be retrained for other jobs.

edited 20th Nov '16 11:30:26 AM by AceofSpades


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