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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
JUDGE: Mister Trump, although we are close to settling this particular dispute, I do want to point out before we bring to this a close that you have been making quite a stir recently, what with your various comments and actions as of late that could be considered in certain circles to be, well, 'racist' and perhaps even 'anti-democratic'. Their words, not mine. In fact, it's quite possible that several or perhaps even many of these actions could lead to another lawsuit or two at the very least—
TRUMP: HAMILTON! RUDE! DISRESPECT! APOLOGY! LOVE ME!
JUDGE: ...Right. Court adjourned. {Pounds gavel like he just doesn't give a fuck.}
edited 19th Nov '16 6:32:36 PM by kkhohoho
Re: Chinese immigrants
What terrifies me most is how said Chinese immigrants tend to nakedly self-perpetuate the negative connotations conservatives have about them. Most with US citizenship insist on identifying as "Chinese" first, a lesser but still decent number look down upon blacks and latinos as being "irresponsible", and a token few downright follow Trump as much as any Rust Belter.
The most unnerving thing by far is how almost all of them don't see themselves as also being just lower on the white nationalist's hit list. There's an unconscious attitude from my personal observations which implies that they see themselves as being equal to and having the same social privileges as whites, while seemingly forgetting that the latter may not necessarily share the same opinions.
Thus, I think the most effective way for the Democrats to gain the Asian vote would be to find a way to send them a message that "Yes, you're a victim too in Trump's America. If you don't aid the Latinos, Blacks, and Middle Easterners first, you're making yourself vulnerable as well."
Part of the issue is that, contrary to the presumptions of many of the more out of touch elements of the social justice movement, "people of color" are not an ideologically homogeneous block that stands in solidarity against white nationalism. Racism between different minority groups (or from minority groups directed at whites) is oftentimes as severe if not worse than that which exists between whites and those demographic groups.
edited 19th Nov '16 6:44:26 PM by CaptainCapsase
Last November, for instance, Trump said he was concerned that foreign students attending Ivy League schools have to return home because of U.S. immigration laws.
“We have to be careful of that, Steve. You know, we have to keep our talented people in this country,” Trump said. He paused. Bannon said, “Um.”
“I think you agree with that,” Trump said. “Do you agree with that?”
Bannon was hesitant.
“When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CE Os in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think . . . ” Bannon said, not finishing the sentence. “A country is more than an economy. We’re a civic society.”
edited 19th Nov '16 6:53:22 PM by MonsieurThenardier
"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."@Trump-Bannon conversation
Oh god *facepalm*
@ Democrats winning Asians over
Asian Americans only represent 5.6% total of the US population, and that's including the South Asians who already generally side with the Democrats due to larger internal Muslim or Muslim-adjacent representation and the Republicans' general undertones of "scary brown people, bleh bleh". It's not going to make much of a difference votewise, especially since a lot of these older Republican Chinese folks don't even vote or live in blue states anyway. Not an investment with the best rate of return, though it's still worth doing for the sake of preparing Asian citizens to defend themselves against potential backlash.
edited 19th Nov '16 7:00:32 PM by AlleyOop
This article:
http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/
The author makes a few good points, but those closing paragraphs are so privileged...and even if everything he said was true (and I'd say he's actually guilty of being a Trump apologist no matter how much he denies it upfront), how he can look at Trump's Cabinet and White House staff appointments and say the man is not a racist or white nationalist, or isn't pushing a racist, white nationalist agenda, is beyond me.
I've seen this kinda message from a lot of people I suspect are Trump supporters/rabid Hillary haters who don't want to admit it. If they're not engaging in disguised Trump apologetics of some kind, then it at least smells of serious denialism and refusal to confront the Awful Truth. Where were these people for all the "Hillary is selling secrets to our enemies and will literally cause WW3 if she becomes president" fearmongering?
I do agree though that while it's reasonable to fear for the worst and express concern over it, a few of the posters in this thread can go overboard with the hysterics at times, and should probably tone it down a little.
edited 20th Nov '16 2:59:44 AM by AlleyOop
Scott Alexander
made a very long post encouraging people to vote against Trump. So no, he's not a Trump supporter. And I don't see evidence of his being specifically a bigot. But he's certainly a privileged, sheltered, over-confident white man, and it shows in his writing. But he's civil, he's honest as far as I can tell, and he's got integrity and consistency. So please give him the benefit of the doubt.
EDIT: So I actually read the whole article, instead of just the closing paragraph, and I amend what I just said. The article is, in fact, excellent. In fact, it's made me reconsider whether I'm not utterly wasting time on this thread. All we seem to do is regurgitate what our media tell us, but this guy actually bothered to do serious research and to come up with his own, original interpretation. Dismissing this out of hand is, quite frankly, prejudiced and dogmatic.
edited 20th Nov '16 3:22:11 AM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.@Ig: I would like to add my two cents counter arguement. Your reaction and attitude towards two paragraphs denouncing Trump as Racist, as privileged and instead trying to tell people to stop attacking other people on the streets, aka the 'protests' (which there is never anything wrong with protesting but rioting is very very bad) is why Trump won.
I supported Trump winning because the other side was worse. Yes, there is something worse than a racist bigot, and that is someone who is not held accountable for her actions. The corruption is blatantly obvious and two recent examples serve.
Hillary's emails which would have put anyone else in jail. If she is innocent that should be for the court to decide.
Our current President Obama expressing his full support to the 'protests'. Which are riots. a simple one line saying to stop hurting people with your protests would be as much as Trump said when he was confronted with people committing racial crimes in his name.
This is the Moderate viewpoint. We, being a few people I've talked with, agree that both sides were pretty terrible and we'd have Bernie Sanders now if he was on the ballot instead
edited 20th Nov '16 3:32:38 AM by StephanReiken
Or that they are worse than Trump's positions on climate change? Trade? NATO? Terrorism? Law enforcement? Judge appointments? The fact that he's admitted to committing sexual assault and fraud, which last time I checked are generally considered far worse than mishandling information?
Clinton's emails don't threaten humanity, the Trump administration does.
edited 20th Nov '16 3:56:29 AM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Clinton leaked secret information with her emails. Secret information is simple, if the enemies of the US get it, soldiers are at risk. As a veteran myself this is an not an okay thing to do. I know full well what kind of problems leaking secret information can pose. The FBI told us that she leaked secret information, that she was careless but she did not 'intend' to do wrong. What she did was felony negligence, something that has no need for intent.
If you leave your baby locked in a car for a few hours, just because nothing happened doesn't mean you didn't do something wrong.
This is just the most recent and prominent problem with her. At least with Trump we can impeach him or elect Bernie in 4 years and all this about his racism and cabinet can be mitigated by the other two branches. I don't believe he will get away with any crimes while in office because he is being watched too closely.
Whereas our current President can blatantly incite riots with disregard for the law and Hillary would have gotten away with things just as easily

Because I'm finding it pretty easy to believe.
edited 19th Nov '16 6:24:30 PM by Pseudopartition