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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Is it possible if you live in a blue state to contact lawmakers in other, redder states and argue to them about resisting Trump? For example, pointing out his capriciousness, unwillingness to follow the party line, willingness to sell out our international hegemony to foreign actors, and so on?
edited 18th Nov '16 2:32:41 PM by AlleyOop
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They would still be 'unlawful combatants' and subject to the Geneva Conventions and the Military Commissions Act that Mitch Mc Connell introduced in 2006 and Bush signed.
He's not capricious when it comes to ensuring his key supporters are kept loyal, that kind of dealing is probably the one thing Trump is actually good at. A better point of argument is "what happens to you if Trump decides he doesn't need you any more?"
edited 18th Nov '16 2:36:30 PM by CaptainCapsase
And if I claimed to be speaking on behalf of less English-fluent relatives in Kansas they would still believe me right? I mean, it's actually true, but I have no way of proving that to them and I don't know if they would appreciate their names being put out like that.
Anyway, as far as the damage a Pence presidency could cause, remember it took only seven years for DOMA to be instated then repealed, even with a conservative court.
edited 18th Nov '16 2:42:43 PM by AlleyOop
edited 18th Nov '16 2:48:35 PM by PotatoesRock
"The keys to getting into power are not (necessarily) the same as the keys to staying in power."
To use tropespeak, they Outlived Their Usefulness. We should try to appeal to Republican lawmakers to oppose Trump, particularly establishment Republicans, on the grounds that they could be next, since that's much more likely to work than an appeal to their better nature.
edited 18th Nov '16 2:51:44 PM by CaptainCapsase
Democrats need to work on their ground. They haven't held the majority of seats since 2010.
Actually the most recent stats show that he got 200k more vote than Romney did. Though he is still a million short of Clinton.
From Wikipedia
Romney: 60,933,504 Obama: 65,915,795
Trump: 61,003,417 Clinton: 62,115,634
edited 18th Nov '16 2:51:04 PM by Demonic_Braeburn
Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.Christie I think partly because of Bridgegate but also partly because he was critical of Trump's sexual assault related comments and at least used to be non-Islamophobic. Gingritch goes back and forth in terms of sanity too.
Basically, I don't think their being fired is a good sign because they'd be the voice of reason (such as it is).
Saw something interesting just now. Razorfist recently did a vid explaining Trump's win, and while I know that as an unapologetic right-winger, he's unappealing to a good amount of tropers who frequent this thread (especially language-wise), he does something pretty shocking 2/3s of the way through by actually, sincerely reaching out to Hillary supporters (as in dropped his usual persona, removed his shades, and calmly let them know he understands their worries). That.....was unexpected.
edited 18th Nov '16 3:04:10 PM by nervmeister
@ Ambar Sonof Deshar from previous page: I'm sorry that happened to your father. Obviously I was referring to responsible use as not dangerous, not the addicts that put themselves and others in harm. IMO it should be legal at the national level but, as with alcohol, there should be a legal limit when out in public.
Sorry, I'm just sick of the anti-marijuana smear campaign/overly-aggressive war-on-drugs that's been going on for the better part of 80+ years, especially since Sessions is apparently fond on continuing it.
edited 18th Nov '16 3:19:05 PM by speedyboris
Especially since it's basically used as a tool to discriminate against African Americans.
Things you can do to try to get your senators to oppose Jeff Sessions as AG.
No idea if it'll work but it's important to engage where you can, since I know some of the tropers here live in red states.
"I'm calling to ask [Senator's name] to block Jeff Sessions from the position of attorney general."
You can outline why you believe Sessions is unsuited for the role, and explain your reasoning. Senators are meant to represent and defend their constituents' desires in the Senate, and in fact, being re-elected to their post depends on it. With enough pressure, senators will need to acknowledge constituents' opposition to Sessions and vote against him. So if you're concerned about Sessions becoming the United States' next attorney general, find your senator's phone number, ring their office, and then inform your friends that they have a say, too.
edited 18th Nov '16 3:20:10 PM by AlleyOop
Also on Christie, he apparently was the person who sent Kushner's father to prison for fraud, so there might be a grudge there involved as well.
Wizard Needs Food BadlyAnd I can respect that. I just have a serious problem with people saying "it's not dangerous" and leaving it at that. I think that statement is in and of itself inherently dangerous; most of the addicts that I've known (and I've known a lot) have, at one point or another, fed me a version of that.
As a society I think we've done a relatively decent job of getting people to understand that alcohol has the potential to be very destructive. I'm not sure, as we move towards decriminalization or legalization that we're doing a very good job with marijuana. I've met a lot of younger people who tell me "it's harmless and that's why it will be legal soon" or some variant of that, and that's very concerning to me—after all, if somebody told you alcohol was harmless, you'd probably worry, right?
I've also met a lot of people, who, while fully aware that driving drunk is a bad idea, are incapable of wrapping their heads around the notion that driving stoned is an equally bad idea. As you can imagine, that's an issue that's pretty near and dear to me. Again, it seems to stem from a belief, expressed to me repeatedly, that the drug is completely harmless and they don't need to fear a loss of control.
Long story short, while I'm in favour of legalization, I worry that those of us arguing for it may have done too good a job of downplaying the dangers, and I think we need to address that before it becomes even more widely available.
I think the issue here is that pro-marijuana people have a tough time explaining that marijuana is as dangerous as alcohol and tobacco are. Yes, marijuana should be legal, but only as legal as alcohol and tobacco are which have sin taxes, age and location restrictions, and not being able to drive while under the influence. Certainly, marijuana is not as harmful as heroin or cocaine, but it should be assumed to be as harmful as alcohol and tobacco are and treated as such.
edited 18th Nov '16 4:26:19 PM by GameGuruGG
Wizard Needs Food BadlyThe Deep State seems to be giving a fair amount of subtext they really aren't fond of Trump or his nominees so far.
(Enough that they live to serve the President, but only if the President isn't out of touch with reality)
Like the CIA's indirectly compared him to Hitler
and the Air Force is giving the vibe it's not thrilled to be giving Trump the ICBM codes
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edited 18th Nov '16 4:27:54 PM by PotatoesRock
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The problem is that in the push to make it clear it's not heroin or meth they seem to have forgotten that it is at least as bad as booze—or at least forgotten to share that with the next generation. Again, the number of people I've met, most of them younger than me, who tell me it's totally harmless or so much safer than alcohol, or pick your inaccurate claim.
edited 18th Nov '16 4:28:11 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

edited 18th Nov '16 2:30:09 PM by CaptainCapsase