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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#156476: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:37:39 AM

<reads all the Trump shit that has been announced> ... At this point, I lament the fact that Frank Castle is just a fictional character.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#156477: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:38:02 AM

@AlleyOop: Adding to that, there's an alarmingly prevalent attitude on the left that holds any form of bigotry to be a Moral Event Horizon, which, beyond not being particularly constructive, veers into a dangerous sort of moral absolutism.

edited 18th Nov '16 9:38:48 AM by CaptainCapsase

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#156478: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:39:35 AM

[up][up] I, personally, am lamenting the fact that Steve Rogers and Clark Kent are fictional characters.

edited 18th Nov '16 9:39:58 AM by TrashJack

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#156479: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:39:57 AM

[up][up]I wish you (and the block of people I generalize as "Sanders Supporters", including Sanders himself) would put half as much effort into denouncing bigotry as you do into denouncing liberals for denouncing bigotry.

@Marq- That kind of sounds like wishing death on people, which is not cool Besides which, Castle would totally be a Trump supporter.

edited 18th Nov '16 9:41:01 AM by Hodor2

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#156481: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:42:08 AM

[up][up] And how is it that it's the US that guarantees Net Neutrality?

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#156482: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:43:48 AM

I, personally, am lamenting the fact that Steve Rogers and Clark Kent are fictional characters.
I got an even better idea: A composite of all three characters.

@Hodor: How do you figure he'd be a Trump supporter?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#156483: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:44:05 AM

Do your good deed today - punch a fascist.

It's been fun.
randomdude4 Since: May, 2011
#156484: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:44:22 AM

[up]x5 Well considering that Tv Tropes does a good job of weeding out the bigots we don't have to do that nearly as often here, so any example of us calling out bigots is going to happen offline and not on Tv Tropes. And I have been doing that, btw.

edited 18th Nov '16 9:45:31 AM by randomdude4

"Can't make an omelette without breaking some children." -Bur
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#156485: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:44:54 AM

[up][up][up][up] The website companies and the DNS companies are based in the US thus use said internet companies to access the internet along with the rest of the customers in the US.

edited 18th Nov '16 9:45:42 AM by Memers

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#156486: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:45:32 AM

Irony points: Clark Kent is an illegal alien.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#156487: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:46:20 AM

@Captain Capsace

I haven't forgotten about them, but for now I'm contemplating how to navigate Trump's presidency (if needed).

edited 18th Nov '16 9:47:22 AM by nervmeister

Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
Karkadinn
#156488: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:46:35 AM

@Hodor:

"If Donald Trump takes people's anger and turns it against Muslims, Hispanics, African Americans and women, we will be his worst nightmare."

Guess who said that? I'll give you a hint: it wasn't Clinton.

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#156489: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:47:38 AM

[up] [up][up]Yet he was the most human of us all.

edited 18th Nov '16 9:48:01 AM by TacticalFox88

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#156490: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:49:19 AM

[up][up] I know it was Sanders, but this is also the same guy who tweets about being a member of the white working class and how it's terrible that Democrats sold out his demographic and also speaks about how he wants to work with Trump to fight corruption.

Which is why although I hope that the "three dimensional chess" theory of why Sanders talks about working with Trump is true, I think it's much more obvious that he just feels a commonaly/kinship with Trump that he doesn't feel toward Democrats who care about racial justice.

edited 18th Nov '16 9:52:39 AM by Hodor2

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#156491: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:51:56 AM

The thing is Hodor, I think we were never at the point where simply denouncing bigotry was going to be a workable solution to ending it.

As it stands, most of the left's understanding of social justice is functionally an ivory tower conception that has little chance of being accepted anytime soon by America at large. Or the world at large really. ESPECIALLY in an environment that's emboldened bigots everywhere.

Not that we SHOULDN'T denounce bigotry when we see it, but I don't think it's denouncing bigotry that's going to take back the country, as sad it is to say.

edited 18th Nov '16 9:52:43 AM by Draghinazzo

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#156492: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:52:29 AM

None of which are terrible things if they can mitigate Trump's damage and ensure future Democratic victories.

Okay, that's actually demonstratably untrue. He was in Chicago getting his ass arrested fighting for civil rights before it was the cool thing for white folks to do during his college years. Don't tell me that man doesn't care about racism.

edited 18th Nov '16 9:54:29 AM by blkwhtrbbt

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#156493: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:53:20 AM

@Hodor2: Hodor, you do realize just about every democrat beyond Harry Reid also made such conciliatory/cautious statements about working with Trump? That's standard political speech for welcoming a new President, and ensuring peaceful transfer of power.

Sanders has since more or less said Trump had his chance and blew it after the appointment of Bannon.

edited 18th Nov '16 10:01:02 AM by CaptainCapsase

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#156494: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:56:26 AM

@ Memers

The website companies and the DNS companies are based in the US thus use said internet companies to access the internet along with the rest of the customers in the US.

And where in the US are most, if not all, of these companies headquartered?

edited 18th Nov '16 9:56:44 AM by HallowHawk

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#156495: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:57:18 AM

I think the most appealing candidate after Trump will be one who can make a good case for his/her ability to make America a place where people can thrive with any purpose other than one that requires a clear "villain" to lash out against.

edited 18th Nov '16 9:59:44 AM by nervmeister

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#156496: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:58:46 AM

[up] Good luck with that. A lot of human civilization has only worked thanks to fear of the "other".

Disgusted, but not surprised
Gault Laugh and grow dank! from beyond the kingdom Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: P.S. I love you
Laugh and grow dank!
#156497: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:58:51 AM

@Captain Capsase #156451, the left's tendency to excoriate bigotry is fundamentally well-intentioned and stems from a philosophical commitment to universalism that the right wing actively abjures. It is this core belief that is perhaps the single most noble quality of leftist thought, and well worth preserving.

Whether you think that's practical or not is a different question, but on the fundamental ideas I genuinely can't find fault with liberals.

edited 18th Nov '16 10:00:15 AM by Gault

yey
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#156498: Nov 18th 2016 at 9:59:23 AM

Hillary herself said we should "give Donald Trump a chance to govern", if I'm not mistaken.

I think we're well past that point personally.

I just wish enough people realized what was going on.

In truth, I don't think it was really the virulent racism and xenophobia that led to this. I mean yes, they were big things, but you know what the nail in the coffin was?

Ignorance and apathy. People who don't care about what others suffer through as long as there's a small chance that their own lives will get better, and the ignorance to not realize that they're being sold snake oil to begin with.

edited 18th Nov '16 10:01:28 AM by Draghinazzo

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#156499: Nov 18th 2016 at 10:00:27 AM

@Capcase

Fair enough. I just don't get why you and others on the same "ideological spectrum" so much buy into this characterization of anti-bigotry as Political Correctness Gone Mad.

It's something I see from you and others on the self-described Left. It's like you start from the premise that anti-bigotry is an elitist position, and since elitism is bad, anything that Democrats/liberals say against bigotry must be some form of elitism to be opposed. And similarly, the idea that everything from support of gay rights to presumably opposition to voter suppression can be glossed over as "identity politics".

There's something really wrong with our country when people see Democratic/liberal expressions of anti-bigotry as a bridge too far but are totally okay with Donald Trump supporting white-supremacy and appointing a bunch of white supremacists to high positions.

edited 18th Nov '16 10:07:05 AM by Hodor2

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#156500: Nov 18th 2016 at 10:00:33 AM

[up][up] Apathy is the real killer. Not so much "racism" as "race apathy". "I don't hate you, I just don't care about you."

edited 18th Nov '16 10:00:44 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised

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