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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
As noble as the sentiment is, it's hard for me to take much solace in individual states or cities speaking out. Their power is miniscule compared to the entire GOP-controlled government.
Like, New York may pledge now to be a bastion of safety for immigrants and whatnot, but wait until the GOP cuts their federal funding in retaliation or something similar. We'll see how quick they all start Heiling the Fuhrer then.
edited 18th Nov '16 8:03:39 AM by RBluefish
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."Speaking of thinking "it can't happen here", I'm feeling like I should get the book of the same name. I hear it's disturbingly applicable to current events.
Strange times when I find myself arm in arm with Sacramento and San Francisco.
You need us more than we need you, Trump. Suck on that.
Note that I still in no way endorse or support any idea of California leaving the Union. This is our country and we'll take it back no matter what anyone says.
Heh, so Pence is gonna be VP in name only, while Kushner will be his real Dragon. Possibly the Dragon-in-Chief.
edited 18th Nov '16 8:13:20 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedFighting the president: How California is gearing up to be the new Texas in Donald Trump's America
edited 18th Nov '16 8:18:08 AM by FluffyMcChicken
My only consolation in these dark times is that as of right now, we don't live in 1984 where governments can stamp on a human face forever. All regimes end, at some point. I don't expect Putin's Russia or the CPC in China to last forever, either.
...I get depressed when I think about the fact we won't see them break in our lifetimes, most likely.
edited 18th Nov '16 8:23:46 AM by Draghinazzo
A few days back, someone was saying that California was arbitrarily shaped as it is for no good reason. This is why. California's numbers, resources and and potential resources at the time gave it a lot more leverage in how it entered the Union back in the 1800's. Even now the state gives more than it takes from the rest of the Union, meaning it gets more of a say in what it can do with regards to the federal government.
Congratulations on misusing the Principles Zealot trope. "Racists can screw off" is hardly a zealous position. Besides, the reality is that, despite your constant handwringing about how "the Democrats can't win without reaching out to these people" there isn't a single person in this thread who has advocated against reaching out to them. We're just not going to tolerate pretending that they're not bigoted within the confines of this conversation.
@Draghinazzo: What depresses me even more is another fact - the entire human race's clock may very well be ticking down. Climate change is coming upon us fast, and we're sticking our heads in the sand rather than dealing with it. Don't forget the threat of nuclear annihilation, super viruses, rogue A.I.s, World War 3...
All regimes end eventually, but the question on my mind is - which will end first, these regimes or humanity?
@Zarastro: I fear you're right that Democratic obstruction, as necessary as it is, will just give Trump and his cronies a convenient scapegoat that they can pull out when it comes time for re-election. "We totally could have made good on all our promises if it wasn't for those darned Democrats!"
Not to mention, an unforeseen consequence of Obama spending eight years working around the GOP is that it's given the GOP an eight-year-long playbook on how to work around an uncooperative government. They can learn from the master and follow Obama's example in the sickest way possible.
edited 18th Nov '16 8:35:22 AM by RBluefish
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."

If enough voter suppression measures get passed, enough Democrat-leaning demographics are gutted, enough districts are gerrymandered, they won't have to run.
Even seeing all the precedents, even feeling sick already from all the white supremacists, climate change deniers, and other hatemongers in the cabinet and FADA and everything else, suggesting that there may not be an election in 2020 feels like an overreaction. But I don't know anymore if it is, and I know that holding out hope that it is just panic will be the exact attitude that makes sure that that panic is justified.
It's been fun.