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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#156351: Nov 18th 2016 at 3:37:23 AM

In case that didn't cheer everybody up - We Have 100 Days To Stop Donald Trump From Systematically Corrupting Our Institutions.

Basically, if immediate action is not taken to preserve our institutions and condemn the P*ssy-Grabber-In-Chief's appointments and maneuvers, then the U.S. will turn into an outright kleptocracy, with dim hope of recovery.

And I don't know about you, but it doesn't look like these 100 days are going to go very well. RIP USA.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Vampireandthen In love with an Uptown Girl from Northern Ireland Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: A teenager in love
In love with an Uptown Girl
#156352: Nov 18th 2016 at 3:42:11 AM

I care deeply about my family. Every single one of them. I mean, the grudge itself isn't irrational hatred, it's more like, "why the hell couldn't you watch where you're going?!?"

But you lot cannot use the argument that if it had been a different person, I would have developed a grudge against that person's ethnic group or whatever. Because that woman would not have been able to almost kill my little cousin if she had not illegally immigrated. I'm sorry if it sounds irrational, I myself feel conflicted about the whole thing, but changing the circumstances in the manner you lot have suggested is absurd because it is an attempt to convince me to let go of a grudge against the person who nearly killed my little cousin. Do you have any idea how hard it is to forgive a person for nearly killing a relative of yours? Especially a child?

Please allow me to introduce myself, I am a man of wealth and taste. Nice to meet you, hope you can guess my name.
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#156353: Nov 18th 2016 at 3:45:33 AM

That law is absolutely horrendous. It's like all the progress you guys made in women's right over the past century doesn't matter to the law's backers.

BTW, what is this "King Coal" mindset you've been speaking of?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#156354: Nov 18th 2016 at 3:46:01 AM

[up][up] You didn't say you had a grudge against that person. You claimed to hold a grudge against ALL undocumented immigrants.

So, I kinda have developed a grudge against illegal immigrants.

There's a difference.

edited 18th Nov '16 3:49:12 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Vampireandthen In love with an Uptown Girl from Northern Ireland Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: A teenager in love
In love with an Uptown Girl
#156355: Nov 18th 2016 at 3:58:23 AM

True, true.....

I understand how irrational it is, but it isn't hatred. I guess because I don't know the person's name, I just referred to her as an illegal immigrant, which she is. And this is my first real experience with illegal immigrants. So, it's left a bad taste in my mouth for them all.

Please allow me to introduce myself, I am a man of wealth and taste. Nice to meet you, hope you can guess my name.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#156356: Nov 18th 2016 at 4:06:40 AM

Well at least you have self awareness.

Can't say the same for the average Trump voter.

New Survey coming this weekend!
Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#156357: Nov 18th 2016 at 4:18:33 AM

So I heard today of a collateral consequence of overpriced medication in the US.

Three people have died in a French hospital. They were suffering from lymphoma, but their doctors had to change their usual treatment due to a lack of stocks. The reason for this lack of stock is rather ironic: the same drug is sold €100 in France...and $1500-2000 in the USA. Which makes it rather easy to understand why the Italian lab that produces it prefers to sell in the US, and not in Europe.

Gault Laugh and grow dank! from beyond the kingdom Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: P.S. I love you
Laugh and grow dank!
#156358: Nov 18th 2016 at 4:30:45 AM

@Religious Freedom bill,

This needs to be understood with perfect clarity: people do not have the right to take away the rights of other people. What you are in effect doing is defending the freedom of people to take away the freedoms of others, which is a naked contradiction to anyone who truly values freedom and not merely the parochial interests of one particular ethno-religious group over the interests of all others. That's why arguments about "protecting religious freedom" fall flat on their face. It's a bald-faced, unjustifiable, self-serving power-grab. You can't justify ptotecting a freedom that you never had in the first place!

I typically don't like to use the p-word, which I mostly think is counter-productive jargon, but here I think it is not only wholly appropriate but perhaps is the single purest manifestation of the concept I've seen to date. This proposed law privileges Christians over other segments of the population by giving Christian radicals the ability to deny other citizens the fulfillment of their basic rights based solely on their private opinions.

yey
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#156359: Nov 18th 2016 at 4:53:43 AM

If this law gets enacted, wouldn't it end up in the courts fairly quickly? Because this seems like the sort of thing that gets challenged specifically because it contradicts a bunch of other laws that protect our rights. (Again, quick being a relative term here, court cases can take months to years.)

@Vampire: ok so, one person is acting irresponsibly with a car, so you proceed to hold a grudge with everyone who shares a trait with that person that is not related to the irresponsibility with a car? I do understand your grief regarding your cousin, but that doesn't make your grudge against a huge number of people uninvolved in the incident rational or fair. Do you hold a grudge against every person who shares a gender with this person?

This is the kind of thinking that turns into "Mexicans are rapists" and is dangerous.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#156360: Nov 18th 2016 at 5:01:47 AM

Because that woman would not have been able to almost kill my little cousin if she had not illegally immigrated.

Technically true, but also fallacious. Correlation does not equal causation. She wouldn't have been able to almost kill your cousin if she hadn't been driving a car at all. She wouldn't have been able to almost kill your cousin if the layout of the streets had been different. She wouldn't have been able to almost kill your cousin if driver's tests were more stringent. I'm glad to see you acknowledge your feelings as being irrational, but I still want to stress just how irrational they are.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to forgive a person for nearly killing a relative of yours? Especially a child?

To echo what M84 said, who on Earth said anything about forgiving her? What you said was that you disliked all undocumented immigrants, based on the actions of one.

[up] From the impression I've received, the law will effectively supersede all other laws. And even if it does wind up getting taken to court - remember we're in Trump's America now. Rationality failed long ago, and there's precious little reason to think that that's going to change anytime soon.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#156361: Nov 18th 2016 at 5:05:41 AM

So... this is it, then? Trump is just going to Gish Gallop us with endless waves of civil-rights-drowning bullshit such that we can't stop it all?

It's been fun.
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#156362: Nov 18th 2016 at 5:12:06 AM

Bar the Democrats being allowed by Mc Connell to use the Filibuster, yes.

To which Mc Connell might go "Whelp, we tried, but those nasty old Democrats hate Christianity.".

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#156363: Nov 18th 2016 at 5:13:46 AM

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

"Four legs good. Two legs better!"

edited 18th Nov '16 5:13:59 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#156364: Nov 18th 2016 at 5:13:59 AM

It would seem that the P*ssy-Grabber-In-Chief has chosen his latest Death Eater - Jeff Sessions, racist climate change denier, as Attorney General.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#156365: Nov 18th 2016 at 5:15:00 AM

[up] ...I can't believe I wish Rudy had been picked.

Disgusted, but not surprised
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#156366: Nov 18th 2016 at 5:16:18 AM

TV news contributors were saying this morning that they expect Sessions to be the key player in influencing who Trump picks for the supreme court. Lawdy mercy.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#156367: Nov 18th 2016 at 5:30:17 AM

People are being encouraged to call the House Oversight Committee and tell them that they support a complete bipartisan review of Trump's financials and conflicts of interest. Today is likely the last day that this option will be available, as they will soon be out of the office for Thanksgiving.

I'm going to call. I encourage everybody else to do the same. What other choice do we have at this point? And also spread the word if you can, in what little time we have left.

edited 18th Nov '16 5:32:34 AM by RBluefish

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#156368: Nov 18th 2016 at 5:46:11 AM

True, true..... I understand how irrational it is, but it isn't hatred. I guess because I don't know the person's name, I just referred to her as an illegal immigrant, which she is. And this is my first real experience with illegal immigrants. So, it's left a bad taste in my mouth for them all.
Shitty/impaired drivers were definitely a thing long before these illegal immigrants got here. Hell, some states alone have amassed reputations for producing what can best be described as "manslaughter on wheels", dramatically speaking.

edited 18th Nov '16 5:54:55 AM by nervmeister

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#156369: Nov 18th 2016 at 6:09:39 AM

Jeff Sessions all but confirmed as Attorney General.

This administration is gonna fuck things up so bad. SO bad.

New Survey coming this weekend!
Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#156370: Nov 18th 2016 at 6:16:53 AM

The GOP's Anti-LGBT, Anti-Women "Religious Freedom" Law On Steroids. It has the support of the House, the Senate, and the P*ssy-Grabber-In-Chief, and if it's passed it would give businesses, hospitals, universities and governments carte blanche to brutally discriminate against women, LGBT+ people, and more, completely free of consequence.
I've remained mostly calm throughout this whole thing (at least online), and I know this doesn't apply to anyone on here, but to anyone who I heard say "just give the Trump administration a chance": FUCK. YOU.

Edit: Is there anything at all the ACLU can do about this?

edited 18th Nov '16 6:20:17 AM by Pseudopartition

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#156371: Nov 18th 2016 at 6:20:19 AM

[up] I thought about giving him a chance. It lasted all of one day last week. Now I'm just hoping he and his cohorts don't fuck up America (and by extension the world) so badly that we are beyond recovery. That they are going to fuck up is certain.

edited 18th Nov '16 6:20:28 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#156372: Nov 18th 2016 at 6:22:34 AM

I know we have to keep working, and keep fighting, but the tide of bullshit is just never going to end, is it? We can call to get ten white nationalists removed from the running for each position in Trump's cabinet, but there will always be another one waiting to step up who will be just slightly less worse, and while we're busy doing that they'll be pushing laws that just end LGBT rights in America without the need for judicial review at all. The administration has no reason to listen to us either, with that spineless majority falling into line.

I like to think of myself as a mature and intelligent adult, but I can't handle this maturely. Why do they hate us so much?

It's been fun.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#156373: Nov 18th 2016 at 6:25:40 AM

[up] Because we're different. sad

Disgusted, but not surprised
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#156374: Nov 18th 2016 at 6:26:34 AM

To paraphrase Twitter activist Shaun Lau, "I used to want to give Trump a chance. Then he said that he wanted to ban Muslims and that Mexicans were rapists."

Any chances Trump had expired months ago, if not years. The fact that he's filling his fucking cabinet with people like Bannon and Sessions should be the final nail in the coffin.

Oh, and let's not forget that the NSA has outright stated that they believe a foreign nation-state was involved in swaying the results of the presidential election. Why in the hell isn't this the biggest news story in the country? Why isn't the result of the election being overturned, or at least frozen and investigated? Why in the sweet Christ is a fascist about to enter the White House unchallenged?

Seriously, I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist here, but this is going a little beyond just theories. The FBI already stated that they believe the Russians hacked a Florida elections-system vendor. Between that and the NSA announcement, why is nobody doing anything about this? Why isn't this all over the national news?

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#156375: Nov 18th 2016 at 6:27:44 AM

[up] Because they're not related to Clinton emails. tongue

Disgusted, but not surprised

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