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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
We need more of this rhetoric. I want the blue collar workers in America to turn on Trump with a fiery vengeance.
edited 17th Nov '16 3:53:25 PM by Draghinazzo
@Tactical: Despite his rhetoric, Sanders was reasonably pragmatic during his time in congress, and he knows as well as anyone that a $12.50 minimum wage isn't going to happen with the GOP in congress.
$10.00 an hour is something even most of the Republican establishment agreed upon however.
edited 17th Nov '16 4:01:48 PM by CaptainCapsase
“If we don’t know what the replacement plan looks like, many insurers might drop out of the marketplace or price very conservatively, charging a lot more because of the risk and uncertainty in the market,” says Topher Spiro, vice president for health policy at the left-leaning Center for American Progress.
So let’s say we’re in May 2017 and Republicans have indeed gone the repeal-and-delay route. They’ve passed a bill that ends Obamacare in January 2019 (right after the midterms) and are starting to debate replacement plans. Insurance executives can’t wait for legislators to delay repeal when they get close to the deadline — they need to decide this spring whether they want to sell on the Obamacare marketplaces.
“Carriers have to rejigger everything,” Laszewski says. “They have to make decisions very early about whether to be in.”
Insurers won’t know who will sign up for coverage in the face of uncertainty either. But it seems safe to expect that the sickest people, who value their coverage the most, would be the most likely to stick around.
“[Insurers] would not know how enrollees might react to the uncertainty in 2018,” Spiro says. “In general, the sickest ones would be the least likely to drop coverage, resulting in a sicker risk pool.”
Even before Trump’s election, when Obamacare’s future seemed secure, the Obama administration sometimes struggled to get insurers on board. There have been multiple instances where no insurers wanted to sell in certain rural, low-population counties. The Obama administration had to swoop in at the last minute and convince at least one plan to sell.
Again, that was before Trump’s election. So think about what an undesirable business the marketplaces become when you’re given notice that the whole thing will shut down in two years.
Romney as the Token Good Teammate (for a certain value of "good")? That'd be kind of funny given that afaik Romney's been one of the only republicans with a spine by not falling in line to support Trump.
edited 17th Nov '16 4:08:38 PM by Draghinazzo
Isn't Romney pretty sincere in his hatred of Trump and everything he stands for? Unless this is Trump's attempt at to bribe Romney into backing down or to convince the rest of the Republican party into supporting him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Mitt_Romney#Foreign_policy
Uh, I guess he's not the worst out there. I don't remember too much of his governorship in Massachusetts but I remember him being fairly moderate during his time there, and thinking that most of his rightward shift in the 2012 election seemed like a way to placate the far right during the primaries and that he would revert to being more moderate once actually in office, were he to win. Of course it's possible his centrism during his governorship was itself a concession to Massachusetts' liberalism and his views during the 2012 race were more reflective of his real ones, though the timing of his supposedly "evolved" stances on things makes me think otherwise.
If the offer's sincere then part of me hopes Romney accepts the position to stave off the worst of Trump's tendencies and doesn't let up in his criticism because of it. Despite his business background Romney seems sincere in his desire to actually be a leader and politician as opposed to purely using the power to benefit himself. An anti-Trump if you will. My mother actually likes him and is convinced he's a more honest politician than most Republicans because he's already wealthy and therefore less vulnerable to lobbying than the rest of the party.
edited 17th Nov '16 4:28:20 PM by AlleyOop
All the more reason for him to accept the job. If Romney really sees himself as a stabilizing and moral source (and Mormons are probably the least-terrible part of the GOP) then having a key position would let him influence policy. Granted I doubt it's really true but this fucking year everything's coming up tails so who the fuck knows.
Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?"Uh, I guess he's not the worst out there. I don't remember too much of his governorship in Massachusetts but I remember him being fairly moderate during his time there, and thinking that most of his rightward shift in the 2012 election seemed like a way to placate the far right during the primaries and that he would revert to being more moderate once actually in office, were he to win."
It might actually be the other way around — Massachusetts Republicans tend to be RINO-like; for a Republican to be elected, they have to be extra-vanilla moderate. I mean, Charlie Baker commands 70% approval ratings purely on his ability to be a complete cypher.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."Senator Tim Kaine: No plans to run for president in 2020.
Donald Trump Holds Meetings With Governor Nikki Haley, Governor Rick Scott and Henry Kissinger.
Also according to the Rumor Mill, Senator Jeff Sessions might be our new Attorney General.
Former Florida Governor Charlie Crist wins seat in US House.
He just won't give up.
edited 17th Nov '16 4:31:58 PM by Demonic_Braeburn
Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.![]()
Uggh, Kissinger. If it weren't for the fact that Trump is an ignoramus, I imagine he'd be perfectly fine with Trump's ruthless realpolitik.
edited 17th Nov '16 4:33:55 PM by CaptainCapsase
>Attorney General Jeff Sessions
UGH.
>Charlie Crist
Well let's hope he actually sticks to the Democratic party line in exchange for them letting him in, instead of being a nakedly opportunistic DINO. Though he was already from the critically endangered race of moderate Republicans so maybe he would've anyway.
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I figure Alabama is already safely red so they'd just appoint another Republican as a replacement.
edited 17th Nov '16 4:37:19 PM by AlleyOop
Perhaps Romney is a pick to show a sign of legitmacy from Trump's administration. I sincerely doubt he can find 4000 sycophants that easily. So Romney might be an attempt by Trump, grinding his teeth in annoyance, to find someone to join his administration who isn't a 100% patsy, as there's reports Trump's team keeps scaring people off from joining.
Lol classmates from my university recently signed a petition to stop Senator Sessions from making a graduation speech there. He keeps shooting down public funds for universities, particularly financial aid. I dunno why the school invited him to begin with
edited 17th Nov '16 4:40:03 PM by blkwhtrbbt
Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for youLooking at it Romney seems to be one of the least terrible people in the GOP.
He has expressed support for muslims and the religious discrimination they suffer from (if I were charitable I might say it's a personal issue for him; mormons have historically been persecuted for their faith as well), said he would oppose any efforts to ban contraception, supported anti-discrimination laws for LGBT people and women in the workplace (although he's still opposed gay marriage throughout his career), and even supports teaching evolution in schools, all of which firmly puts him head and shoulders above chumps like Pence.
He's far from perfect but compared to the cesspit that the GOP has become he's like a spring breeze.
edited 17th Nov '16 4:41:54 PM by Draghinazzo
Yeah, in honest I never got Tumblr's utter hate-on for him that continues to this day. He's way more moderate and reserved than most of the current party, but going by what they say about him you'd think he's literally a less orange Trump. A lot of them still were referring to him Satan even as he was calling out Trump (e.g. many popular posts had the theme of "you know you're bad when even Satan is calling you out on your shit").
Most likely, but I can just as easily see him accepting the position thinking that he can use it to control or counter Trump too.
edited 17th Nov '16 4:49:23 PM by AlleyOop

I actually think Bernie's playing chicken with Trump by reminding him of some left-leaning elements of his campaign.
Sanders is calling on Trump to raise the minimum wage to $10 - despite raising a fuss over Clinton's plans for $12 not being good enough - as well as to defend Social Security and Medicare, institute tariffs on companies who ship jobs overseas, and re-regulate Wall Street.
Sanders asserted that these are promises Trump made and that if he shifts to more conventionally conservative positions now to get along with the Republicans in Congress, it exposes him as a fraud.
Sanders is also calling on Trump to get rid of the highly controversial Steve Bannon, the alt-right ringleader Trump appointed as chief strategist.
As for the Democrat party, despite cries from certain members of the party demanding that we move as far away from the Clintons as possible and insisting that this election proved that Hillary is obsolete, Sanders insists that Hillary Clinton has a vital role to play in the party's future.
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