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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#156201: Nov 17th 2016 at 1:18:13 PM

[up][up] You have a good point there.

All this talk of Trump's popularity often ignores the fact that voter turnout in general, especially among democrats, was very low this election cycle.

It's possible (I might even say likely) that the high disapproval ratings might owe themselves in large part to people who didn't vote at all.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#156202: Nov 17th 2016 at 1:26:19 PM

If someone couldn't even bother showing up to vote against Trump then they get no sympathy from me.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#156203: Nov 17th 2016 at 1:28:19 PM

[up] Agreed.

Like, I don't particularly care for Jill Stein voters or anything, but at least they tried to be part of the process, however pointless a gesture it was.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#156204: Nov 17th 2016 at 2:06:54 PM

I loathe the Jill Stein voters. They picked a pro-Russia, anti-vaxxer hack at a time when a neofascist needed to be kept out of the White House.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#156205: Nov 17th 2016 at 2:10:07 PM

I feel the same way, but my point was what right do you have to complain about your political leader if you weren't willing to be a part of the democratic political process?

At that point, you forfeit the right to complain, because you chose to do nothing.

edited 17th Nov '16 2:10:50 PM by Draghinazzo

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#156206: Nov 17th 2016 at 2:10:10 PM

@people talking about moving to Canada:

You guys know that Canada is affected by everything that's happening in the US since they're our neighbors, right? Moving to Canada's not actually going to do much to help with all that shit that's been happening.

I suggest that you all stay and work to make sure that the US doesn't move in a fascist direction as I fear that we're doing.

Call your congressman (or woman). Call your representatives. Hell, call your local representatives and let them know that you don't want Bannon in the white house, and that you especially don't want a fucking Muslim registry to be implemented.

edited 17th Nov '16 2:24:07 PM by higherbrainpattern

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#156207: Nov 17th 2016 at 2:20:53 PM

Canada has its own host of problems and a rising right similar to our own. I won't go into it in detail because this is the US politics thread, but suffice to say that flight to canada will not solve your Election Day Woes either way.

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nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#156208: Nov 17th 2016 at 2:21:06 PM

[up][up]Yeah, following Trump's election we're seeing Neo-Nazi vandalism at Jewish Synagogues up here in Canada. We follow a lot of US' trends, good or bad.

edited 17th Nov '16 2:22:02 PM by nightwyrm_zero

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#156209: Nov 17th 2016 at 2:25:58 PM

While the Canadian alt right has been making noise, I wouldn't call it a rising political force yet. Its limited to a pair of Conservative leadership hopefuls and has no traction at other levels of government.

And our center left government is quite popular.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#156210: Nov 17th 2016 at 2:27:28 PM

If we're seriously talking about people who might need to leave the country, those whose lives and safety are under threat should get first dibs. Meaning, you're either in a targeted group or you/a loved one stands to lose healthcare you/they depend on.

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#156212: Nov 17th 2016 at 2:52:42 PM

If the trump presidency is as bad as it seems for LGBT people Canada isn't a bad idea. We went through more then a decade under conservative rule and they didn't touch LGBT rights and our current prime minister is very pro-LGBT.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#156213: Nov 17th 2016 at 2:54:52 PM

Though given how long it takes to get yourself set up and on a path to citzenship in Canada, by the time you'd get thing settled Trump will either be out of office or the world will have already ended.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#156214: Nov 17th 2016 at 3:05:23 PM

If Trump is as bad as everyone fears, there will be refugee camps in Canada and Mexico.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#156215: Nov 17th 2016 at 3:06:33 PM

That's why he's building the wall: to keep people out of Mexico.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#156217: Nov 17th 2016 at 3:09:59 PM

How is that going to pass through Congress, anyway?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#156218: Nov 17th 2016 at 3:10:24 PM

From the sounds of it Sanders is trying to be pragmatic and diplomatic but like, my dude, does Trump look like he gives a single fuck about the minimum wage whatsoever? The guy has never had to survive on minimum wage. He probably doesn't even know what it IS.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#156219: Nov 17th 2016 at 3:13:13 PM

Given that it's extremely unlikely Trump will actually follow up on that, it may be that Sanders is just trying to strengthen his (and therefore the Democrats') credentials with the more economic-minded of Trump's supporters so he can leech them away when the time comes. Alternatively he's trying to hold Trump's feet to the fire and bring attention to his more populist campaign promises so the effect is magnified when he bails on them.

Sanders may be idealistic to a fault, but he also seems intelligent enough from his interviews. I'd like to think he's got some pragmatic streak to him. If the above really is true, then bravo, you Magnificent Bastard.

edited 17th Nov '16 3:15:10 PM by AlleyOop

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#156220: Nov 17th 2016 at 3:17:40 PM

Socialists: we get the job done. *HIGH FIVE*

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#156221: Nov 17th 2016 at 3:20:32 PM

So long as Sanders doesn't sell out on other issues....

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#156222: Nov 17th 2016 at 3:23:01 PM

I think he might just be trying to draw attention. If Trump actually promised to improve the economic situation for blue-collar americans he should be publically held to that promise by as many people as possible, because it was thanks to those people that he narrowly got the Presidency.

His complete disregard and abandonment of them must be displayed for all to see, exposing him for the farce that he is.

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#156223: Nov 17th 2016 at 3:33:07 PM

If the trump presidency is as bad as it seems for LGBT people Canada isn't a bad idea. We went through more then a decade under conservative rule and they didn't touch LGBT rights and our current prime minister is very pro-LGBT.
The Canada/US divide is a tricky thing, I think. We like to have the idea that we're much more moral and righteous than the States (I know Rational Insanity mentioned something about us always trying to define ourselves as "not-American"), but American culture has always had a significant influence on us. They're our largest trading partner, and we have the largest shared border in the world. Economic and especially environmental problems do not respect boundaries.

And we tend to use the US as an excuse to shield ourselves from criticism on race issues. Sure, we didn't have to fight a war over slavery, but it did exist here, and the way we used to treat our native peoples was pretty appalling, still is in many ways. Personally, most of my coworkers are immigrant women of colour, and they have absolutely faced racism and xenophobia in this country.

Still, the cultural differences are there, and I'm telling you I would much rather be a bi woman here than I would in the US, especially with more "religious freedom" bills looming, and the appalling views of the current VP elect. A good deal of the Canadian smugness needs to go, though. Sure, according to polls only about 16% of us would have voted for Trump, and most aren't happy about the election results, but another poll suggests that 76% of us would consider voting for a candidate with some of the same policies, specifically:

...stricter immigration controls, reviewing trade agreements like NAFTA, shifting spending on international development to domestic priorities, and being 'tough on crime.'

I mean, I am not going to fault anyone wanting to leave the US if in fear for their lives or civil rights, but if you're not (and most of the people who I've seen talk about it are well off and privileged), you're better off just moving to a swing state and trying to effect real change.

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#156224: Nov 17th 2016 at 3:34:20 PM

Canada also tends to share america's general indifference to the "Disappearance" of first nation citizens.

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#156225: Nov 17th 2016 at 3:40:58 PM

Nancy Pelosi's challenger for the House Minority Leader is Tim Ryan, a Democrat representing Youngstown, Ohio.

Tim Ryan is basically an economic populist similar to Sanders (being skeptical of big business, Wall Street and uncontrolled global trade), while being more centrist on social issues and the environment. He also represents an area that's a heavy mix of African Americans and working class whites.

(Vox) 10 things we learned about Trump adviser Steve Bannon from this recently surfaced speech

  • Bannon says: We are in an era of global economic crisis
  • The best capitalist leaders held Judeo-Christian beliefs
  • The secular and Muslim worlds have put the Judeo-Christian West in crisis
  • These crises have given way to ISIS
  • ISIS is the biggest threat, and the Judeo-Christian West needs to stand up against it
  • The populist uprising is driven by economic anxiety
  • Bannon has seen incremental Tea Party success throughout the years
  • In 2014, Bannon said conservative populism would take over the world
  • He believes racism and nativist beliefs have been “washed out” in the alt-right…
  • …and that Putin is a kleptocrat — but with good leadership ideas


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