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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I feel the same way, but my point was what right do you have to complain about your political leader if you weren't willing to be a part of the democratic political process?
At that point, you forfeit the right to complain, because you chose to do nothing.
edited 17th Nov '16 2:10:50 PM by Draghinazzo
@people talking about moving to Canada:
You guys know that Canada is affected by everything that's happening in the US since they're our neighbors, right? Moving to Canada's not actually going to do much to help with all that shit that's been happening.
I suggest that you all stay and work to make sure that the US doesn't move in a fascist direction as I fear that we're doing.
Call your congressman (or woman). Call your representatives. Hell, call your local representatives and let them know that you don't want Bannon in the white house, and that you especially don't want a fucking Muslim registry to be implemented.
edited 17th Nov '16 2:24:07 PM by higherbrainpattern
Canada has its own host of problems and a rising right similar to our own. I won't go into it in detail because this is the US politics thread, but suffice to say that flight to canada will not solve your Election Day Woes either way.
"Coffee! Coffeecoffeecoffee! Coffee! Not as strong as Meth-amphetamine, but it lets you keep your teeth!"While the Canadian alt right has been making noise, I wouldn't call it a rising political force yet. Its limited to a pair of Conservative leadership hopefuls and has no traction at other levels of government.
And our center left government is quite popular.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.If the trump presidency is as bad as it seems for LGBT people Canada isn't a bad idea. We went through more then a decade under conservative rule and they didn't touch LGBT rights and our current prime minister is very pro-LGBT.
Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?Hahahaha the twists just keep coming
New Survey coming this weekend!Given that it's extremely unlikely Trump will actually follow up on that, it may be that Sanders is just trying to strengthen his (and therefore the Democrats') credentials with the more economic-minded of Trump's supporters so he can leech them away when the time comes. Alternatively he's trying to hold Trump's feet to the fire and bring attention to his more populist campaign promises so the effect is magnified when he bails on them.
Sanders may be idealistic to a fault, but he also seems intelligent enough from his interviews. I'd like to think he's got some pragmatic streak to him. If the above really is true, then bravo, you Magnificent Bastard.
edited 17th Nov '16 3:15:10 PM by AlleyOop
I think he might just be trying to draw attention. If Trump actually promised to improve the economic situation for blue-collar americans he should be publically held to that promise by as many people as possible, because it was thanks to those people that he narrowly got the Presidency.
His complete disregard and abandonment of them must be displayed for all to see, exposing him for the farce that he is.
And we tend to use the US as an excuse to shield ourselves from criticism on race issues. Sure, we didn't have to fight a war over slavery, but it did exist here, and the way we used to treat our native peoples was pretty appalling, still is in many ways. Personally, most of my coworkers are immigrant women of colour, and they have absolutely faced racism and xenophobia in this country.
Still, the cultural differences are there, and I'm telling you I would much rather be a bi woman here than I would in the US, especially with more "religious freedom" bills looming, and the appalling views of the current VP elect. A good deal of the Canadian smugness needs to go, though. Sure, according to polls only about 16% of us would have voted for Trump,
and most aren't happy about the election results, but another poll suggests that 76% of us would consider voting for a candidate with some of the same policies, specifically:
I mean, I am not going to fault anyone wanting to leave the US if in fear for their lives or civil rights, but if you're not (and most of the people who I've seen talk about it are well off and privileged), you're better off just moving to a swing state and trying to effect real change.
Nancy Pelosi's challenger for the House Minority Leader
is Tim Ryan, a Democrat representing Youngstown, Ohio.
Tim Ryan is basically an economic populist similar to Sanders (being skeptical of big business, Wall Street and uncontrolled global trade), while being more centrist on social issues and the environment. He also represents an area that's a heavy mix of African Americans and working class whites.
(Vox) 10 things we learned about Trump adviser Steve Bannon from this recently surfaced speech
- Bannon says: We are in an era of global economic crisis
- The best capitalist leaders held Judeo-Christian beliefs
- The secular and Muslim worlds have put the Judeo-Christian West in crisis
- These crises have given way to ISIS
- ISIS is the biggest threat, and the Judeo-Christian West needs to stand up against it
- The populist uprising is driven by economic anxiety
- Bannon has seen incremental Tea Party success throughout the years
- In 2014, Bannon said conservative populism would take over the world
- He believes racism and nativist beliefs have been “washed out” in the alt-right…
- …and that Putin is a kleptocrat — but with good leadership ideas

All this talk of Trump's popularity often ignores the fact that voter turnout in general, especially among democrats, was very low this election cycle.
It's possible (I might even say likely) that the high disapproval ratings might owe themselves in large part to people who didn't vote at all.