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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#155976: Nov 16th 2016 at 8:35:57 PM

"Welp. I'm moving to Canada or maybe Spain."

Do us a favor and move to Ohio. Or Florida. The votes there were so close, if enough reliably Democratic voters moved there the states could be secured for the next election.

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#155977: Nov 16th 2016 at 8:37:12 PM

...so, did my voicemail go through, or what?

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#155978: Nov 16th 2016 at 8:39:16 PM

The Japanese internment camps are being cited as precedent for forced Muslim registry.

That's what I was thinking about when the possibility of a Muslim registry got mentioned.

“Look, the president needs to protect America first, and if that means having people that are not protected under our Constitution have some sort tor registry so we can understand- until we can identify the true threat and where it’s coming from, I support it,” Higbie said.

I don't know about you guys but I caught a strong whiff of fascism in this direction.

edited 16th Nov '16 8:41:05 PM by Draghinazzo

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#155979: Nov 16th 2016 at 8:40:17 PM

Seriously. They do know that the Japanese Internment camps are a national shame right?

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#155980: Nov 16th 2016 at 8:40:50 PM

Megyn Kelly sounds more and more horrified as this goes on. I wonder if she'll have a "The Republican party left me" moment.

[up]That one guy didn't seem to care. That's the fucking point of why Trump was so awful. He didn't care what he sounded like, he just wanted to get attention. And now anyone who's going to support him is going to use the same language.

edited 16th Nov '16 8:41:42 PM by AceofSpades

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#155981: Nov 16th 2016 at 8:42:24 PM

[up][up] Alongside Japan I suppose. Which just makes it even more darkly amusing.
Are you kidding? Trump would be an extreme leftist in Japan, at least in regards to race and immigration. This is the country that still refuses to provide citizenship to people of Korean descent who have lived there for 3 generations. The country that's currently undergoing a demographic crisis because they utterly refuse to allow any notable amount of immigration.

edited 16th Nov '16 8:46:53 PM by MonsieurThenardier

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#155982: Nov 16th 2016 at 8:43:07 PM

[up] I'm more talking in terms of authoritarianism, Japan is extremely culturally conservative compared to much of the developed world, but it doesn't appear to be in imminent danger of slipping into authoritarianism.

edited 16th Nov '16 8:43:56 PM by CaptainCapsase

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#155983: Nov 16th 2016 at 8:45:15 PM

"Very organized process taking place as I decide on Cabinet and many other positions. I am the only one who knows who the finalists are!"- Our next President on the transition process.

So yeah, it appears he does indeed think he's running a new season of the apprentice.

edited 16th Nov '16 8:45:35 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#155984: Nov 16th 2016 at 8:50:12 PM

Oh please God, let that be his mindset. Better than the alternatives.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#155985: Nov 16th 2016 at 8:51:13 PM

I can only hope their attempts at oppression will be as poorly managed and incompetent as everything else they appear to be doing, but I'm not getting my hopes up for that since historically oppression is a thing these governments have been very good at doing.

Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#155986: Nov 16th 2016 at 8:52:58 PM

The funny thing is, I'm pretty sure that if anyone actually wanted to protect Americans (not just from each other, but from themselves), a national registry of car owners would be more productive than a Muslim registry, and I'm almosy positive that a registry of gun owners would be more productive.

But of course those are totally unacceptable, while for some reason, millions of Americans who consider gun owner or car owner registries unacceptable think Die amerikanischen Nürnberger Gesetze are sehr gut.

edited 16th Nov '16 8:54:20 PM by Balmung

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#155987: Nov 16th 2016 at 8:53:59 PM

You know, it'd be both funny, and horrifying, if after 2 years in office, and his approval ratings are low after accomplishing everything he's done, and either the Senate or the House (or even both) flip to the Democrats, that he flips with them and becomes the biggest Liberal America has elected since LBJ or Jimmy Carter.

I honestly wouldn't put it past him to be a Reverse Bill Clinton, but with him being massively extreme in his Swing.

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#155988: Nov 16th 2016 at 8:54:04 PM

[up][up][up] 2016 will forever be remembered as the year that American politics became a reality TV show.

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#155989: Nov 16th 2016 at 8:54:10 PM

I've heard that Hitler wasn't actually all that competent, but he obviously still managed to do all the stuff he did.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#155990: Nov 16th 2016 at 8:57:02 PM

Balmung mentioned how fascist Italy and Germany weren't actually competently administrated in many regards. The trains were late during the Third Reich, because apparently spending so much time and effort trying to be the proverbial boot stamping on a human face means you're more worried about that than actually running the government for the benefit of your citizens.

EDIT: Something to consider:

I'm pretty sure comparisons to the japanese internment camps were going to be made anyways, or at least brought up as a frightful possibility.

And then that Trump supporter saved us the trouble by making that himself.

They're really not trying to hide it at all.

edited 16th Nov '16 9:01:29 PM by Draghinazzo

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#155991: Nov 16th 2016 at 9:00:47 PM

I doubt that internment camps are going to be a thing but if they are...having Canada withdraw from NATO and NORAD is starting to sound really appealing.

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Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#155992: Nov 16th 2016 at 9:01:11 PM

@TropesForever: He wasn't, but then, he wasn't the one writing up most of the plans beyond "come up with a soltion to the [race] problem" and setting his ambitious underlings loose on the objective and giving more favor and funding to whichever agency/underling came he felt best interpreted his will. This helped push the agenda in ever more radical directions ever more rapidly, and this is why Trump's apparent disinterest in personally running stuff is actually absolutely terrifying to me.

For a bit more, consider reading The Holocaust.

edited 16th Nov '16 9:04:11 PM by Balmung

Jasaiga Since: Jan, 2015
#155993: Nov 16th 2016 at 9:08:34 PM

You know I'm really starting to have less sympathy for conservative ideology, to be honest, because when you take a step back and look at it objectively...

Christ, conservatism (with the SOLE exception of Fiscal Conservatism...maybe) is just downright awful, mean-spirited, selfish, racist, anti-intellectual, illogical, among many other myriad descriptions.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#155994: Nov 16th 2016 at 9:09:48 PM

[up][up][up] about that...

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach told Reuters in an interview yesterday that Donald Trump‘s policy advisors are considering implementing a registry for anyone that comes into the United States from Muslim nations as part of Trump’s “extreme vetting.”

Former Navy SEAL and Trump supporter Carl Higbie spoke with Megyn Kelly about this tonight and said there is certainly precedent for action like this to be taken.

Kelly brought up the criticism that this is a slippery slope and that a system like this could end up being abused.

Higbie made it clear he thinks the vast majority of Muslims are not bad people, but because there are some who align with an “extreme ideology,” it would be wise to “keep tabs” on people coming into the country from certain places.

“We’ve done it with Iran back a while ago,” he said, “we did it during World War II with the Japanese.”

Kelly bewilderedly responded, “Come on, you’re not proposing we go back to the days of internment camps, I hope.”

He said he is not and merely made the point he was trying to point to precedent, which led Kelly to say this:

“You can’t be citing Japanese internment camps as precedent for anything the president-elect is gonna do!”

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#155995: Nov 16th 2016 at 9:10:48 PM

I also hadn't stopped to think about it, but I think Pence and Bannon are a perfect representation of arguably the two most notable regressive movements in recent american history, and a concise summation of the bigotry poisoning the country.

Pence represents religious oppression. He is part of the older fundamentalist movement that I remember my US friends spending a lot of time fighting years ago. According to him, the US should by all rights be an oppressive theocracy where only his own rigid interpretation of the Bible matters.

Bannon represents the alt-right, the newer wave of oppression that has swept the youth. They don't care about traditional conservative values and don't uphold any pretenses that they do. Not only are they total edgelords, but they don't respect anyone besides white men who aren't jewish, and have a complete disregard for any kind of manners or civility. They don't care about dogwhistles, they will use slurs and incite violence freely. Many of them might not even care that much about bigotry personally, but are still motivated by their own desire to upset people and see the world burn. They are the children of entitlement and contempt.

edited 16th Nov '16 9:15:12 PM by Draghinazzo

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#155996: Nov 16th 2016 at 9:18:47 PM

I've heard that Hitler wasn't actually all that competent, but he obviously still managed to do all the stuff he did.
A lot of the "Hitler was incompetent!" stuff is post-war revisionism by German officers trying to cover their own asses.

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#155997: Nov 16th 2016 at 9:19:41 PM

[up][up] "Swept" is a bit of an overstatement. Among young voters, the alt-right is an extreme minority. Even among young white male voters.

edited 16th Nov '16 9:19:52 PM by CaptainCapsase

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#155998: Nov 16th 2016 at 9:20:55 PM

When he didn't let his narcissism get in the way, Hitler was actually pretty goddamn brilliant.

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#155999: Nov 16th 2016 at 9:24:37 PM

Indeed. Even ignoring the fact that he managed to assume control of the world's second strongest country while starting middle class with nothing but sheer charisma. If you read any decent history of the German leadership in WWII it's full of instances were Hitler cut right to the heart of the matter and asked the most important questions, or raised the most important issues- such as when he favored Manstein's sickle-cut plan over the WW-1 redux planned by the High Command for the Battle of France. That kind of penetrating intelligence is a good hallmark of genius. During the war, people we do think of as geniuses like Rommel were very impressed by his insight.

But suddenly, after the war, he was an idiot who always tried to stifle the absolutely brilliant ideas of people like Manstein. Which totally would have worked if that meddling Hitler wasn't around, honest. Like Manstein's plan to double down on Citadel. Please ignore how Hitler's retreat order saved Manstein's forces from complete annihilation in the Soviet counterattack, and how the entire plan in the first place was High Command's baby that Hitler was reluctant about. The disaster at Kursk was totally Hitler's fault, I have the post-war memoirs by German officers to prove it.

edited 16th Nov '16 9:28:08 PM by MonsieurThenardier

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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#156000: Nov 16th 2016 at 9:28:19 PM

And he had principles.

Principles that demanded the slaughter of millions, yes, but you can't say he wasn't committed to his idea of a racially pure society.

Trump, on the other hand, has repeatedly proven that he doesn't have a committed bone in his body. Yay?


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