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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
That's what I was thinking about when the possibility of a Muslim registry got mentioned.
I don't know about you guys but I caught a strong whiff of fascism in this direction.
edited 16th Nov '16 8:41:05 PM by Draghinazzo
Seriously. They do know that the Japanese Internment camps are a national shame right?
The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.Megyn Kelly sounds more and more horrified as this goes on. I wonder if she'll have a "The Republican party left me" moment.
That one guy didn't seem to care. That's the fucking point of why Trump was so awful. He didn't care what he sounded like, he just wanted to get attention. And now anyone who's going to support him is going to use the same language.
edited 16th Nov '16 8:41:42 PM by AceofSpades
edited 16th Nov '16 8:46:53 PM by MonsieurThenardier
"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just.""Very organized process taking place as I decide on Cabinet and many other positions. I am the only one who knows who the finalists are!"- Our next President on the transition process.
So yeah, it appears he does indeed think he's running a new season of the apprentice.
edited 16th Nov '16 8:45:35 PM by CaptainCapsase
The funny thing is, I'm pretty sure that if anyone actually wanted to protect Americans (not just from each other, but from themselves), a national registry of car owners would be more productive than a Muslim registry, and I'm almosy positive that a registry of gun owners would be more productive.
But of course those are totally unacceptable, while for some reason, millions of Americans who consider gun owner or car owner registries unacceptable think Die amerikanischen Nürnberger Gesetze are sehr gut.
edited 16th Nov '16 8:54:20 PM by Balmung
You know, it'd be both funny, and horrifying, if after 2 years in office, and his approval ratings are low after accomplishing everything he's done, and either the Senate or the House (or even both) flip to the Democrats, that he flips with them and becomes the biggest Liberal America has elected since LBJ or Jimmy Carter.
I honestly wouldn't put it past him to be a Reverse Bill Clinton, but with him being massively extreme in his Swing.
Balmung mentioned how fascist Italy and Germany weren't actually competently administrated in many regards. The trains were late during the Third Reich, because apparently spending so much time and effort trying to be the proverbial boot stamping on a human face means you're more worried about that than actually running the government for the benefit of your citizens.
EDIT: Something to consider:
I'm pretty sure comparisons to the japanese internment camps were going to be made anyways, or at least brought up as a frightful possibility.
And then that Trump supporter saved us the trouble by making that himself.
They're really not trying to hide it at all.
edited 16th Nov '16 9:01:29 PM by Draghinazzo
@TropesForever: He wasn't, but then, he wasn't the one writing up most of the plans beyond "come up with a soltion to the [race] problem" and setting his ambitious underlings loose on the objective and giving more favor and funding to whichever agency/underling came he felt best interpreted his will. This helped push the agenda in ever more radical directions ever more rapidly, and this is why Trump's apparent disinterest in personally running stuff is actually absolutely terrifying to me.
For a bit more, consider reading The Holocaust.
edited 16th Nov '16 9:04:11 PM by Balmung
You know I'm really starting to have less sympathy for conservative ideology, to be honest, because when you take a step back and look at it objectively...
Christ, conservatism (with the SOLE exception of Fiscal Conservatism...maybe) is just downright awful, mean-spirited, selfish, racist, anti-intellectual, illogical, among many other myriad descriptions.
Former Navy SEAL and Trump supporter Carl Higbie spoke with Megyn Kelly about this tonight and said there is certainly precedent for action like this to be taken.
Kelly brought up the criticism that this is a slippery slope and that a system like this could end up being abused.
Higbie made it clear he thinks the vast majority of Muslims are not bad people, but because there are some who align with an “extreme ideology,” it would be wise to “keep tabs” on people coming into the country from certain places.
“We’ve done it with Iran back a while ago,” he said, “we did it during World War II with the Japanese.”
Kelly bewilderedly responded, “Come on, you’re not proposing we go back to the days of internment camps, I hope.”
He said he is not and merely made the point he was trying to point to precedent, which led Kelly to say this:
“You can’t be citing Japanese internment camps as precedent for anything the president-elect is gonna do!”
I also hadn't stopped to think about it, but I think Pence and Bannon are a perfect representation of arguably the two most notable regressive movements in recent american history, and a concise summation of the bigotry poisoning the country.
Pence represents religious oppression. He is part of the older fundamentalist movement that I remember my US friends spending a lot of time fighting years ago. According to him, the US should by all rights be an oppressive theocracy where only his own rigid interpretation of the Bible matters.
Bannon represents the alt-right, the newer wave of oppression that has swept the youth. They don't care about traditional conservative values and don't uphold any pretenses that they do. Not only are they total edgelords, but they don't respect anyone besides white men who aren't jewish, and have a complete disregard for any kind of manners or civility. They don't care about dogwhistles, they will use slurs and incite violence freely. Many of them might not even care that much about bigotry personally, but are still motivated by their own desire to upset people and see the world burn. They are the children of entitlement and contempt.
edited 16th Nov '16 9:15:12 PM by Draghinazzo
Indeed. Even ignoring the fact that he managed to assume control of the world's second strongest country while starting middle class with nothing but sheer charisma. If you read any decent history of the German leadership in WWII it's full of instances were Hitler cut right to the heart of the matter and asked the most important questions, or raised the most important issues- such as when he favored Manstein's sickle-cut plan over the WW-1 redux planned by the High Command for the Battle of France. That kind of penetrating intelligence is a good hallmark of genius. During the war, people we do think of as geniuses like Rommel were very impressed by his insight.
But suddenly, after the war, he was an idiot who always tried to stifle the absolutely brilliant ideas of people like Manstein. Which totally would have worked if that meddling Hitler wasn't around, honest. Like Manstein's plan to double down on Citadel. Please ignore how Hitler's retreat order saved Manstein's forces from complete annihilation in the Soviet counterattack, and how the entire plan in the first place was High Command's baby that Hitler was reluctant about. The disaster at Kursk was totally Hitler's fault, I have the post-war memoirs by German officers to prove it.
edited 16th Nov '16 9:28:08 PM by MonsieurThenardier
"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."And he had principles.
Trump, on the other hand, has repeatedly proven that he doesn't have a committed bone in his body. Yay?

"Welp. I'm moving to Canada or maybe Spain."
Do us a favor and move to Ohio. Or Florida. The votes there were so close, if enough reliably Democratic voters moved there the states could be secured for the next election.